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I'm not anti or pro-coffee. I am only saying this study you present does not prove coffee is healthy. It could be true that there is something healthy in coffee but we also know for a fact caffeine is unhealthy and also in coffee. This is similar to the studies saying "drink beer because beer drinkers live longer" or "drink wine because wine drinkers live longer" and there is something healthy (hops) and (grape skins, grape seed) in wine which shows it does have health benefits but it doesn't mean it's wine. It's the grape skin, the hops, the grape seed, which is beneficial, and then alcoholics may use it as an excuse to drink lots of wine.

The truth is, you only need reversatrol (which I use myself sometimes) or pterostilbene. You don't need to accept the risk of alcohol (alcoholism, liver disease, weight gain) just to get the benefits. Same with whatever is in coffee, you don't actually need to drink coffee to take a pill giving you more of the benefit than if you drank 100 cups of coffee a day.

I am pro health. I think if you can get the same benefit with less risk why not? In the case of a pill you can get 100 times the benefit with way less risk because you don't need the caffeine at all. There are also pro cannabis studies and while I agree there are healthy parts of cannabis I would not say smoking weed is healthy because smoking is never healthy.

It's the grape skin, the hops, the grape seed, which is beneficial, and then alcoholics may use it as an excuse to drink lots of wine.

How do you know that? I'm not saying that is wrong but that is not based on evidence. When I see the evidence I will make the decision.

The truth is, you only need reversatrol (which I use myself sometimes) or pterostilbene.

There is no truth in science. Only the body of the research. I have been interested in resveratrol for some time due to it's life extension potential. Sadly the evidence is at best contradictory right now so we don't know for sure.

There are also pro cannabis studies and while I agree there are healthy parts of cannabis I would not say smoking weed is healthy because smoking is never healthy.

People can take cannabis without smoking though.

Everything I said is based on the evidence I've studied. Just like what you say is based on the evidence you have studied. On coffee there is no study where an animal model such as rats have been given coffee with or without caffeine compared to a control to see if it extends lifespan. Show me that study to convince me of a measurable health benefit.

People can take cannabis without smoking. People can take whatever is in coffee without caffeine. The beneficial part of cannabis has been isolated. Find and isolate the beneficial part of coffee and do trials with that to convince me that something in coffee is beneficial.

On coffee there is no study where an animal model such as rats have been given coffee with or without caffeine compared to a control to see if it extends lifespan. Show me that study to convince me of a measurable health benefit.

Exactly my point. We don't know. Further the only way to know for sure would be to actually do it as a human study not on animals. We do have the data for coffee, hence we cans say that coffee has benefits.

The beneficial part of cannabis has been isolated.

Really?

You speak in absolute certainties. That is not scientific and it is not how research works.

Find and isolate the beneficial part of coffee and do trials with that to convince me that something in coffee is beneficial.

Better still why don't you do the same and prove that it is harmful? You seem to be absolutely certain of that with a religious zeal.

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