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Pursuing pleasure has become such an oversaturated idea, the point of being subjected to the law of diminishing returns so vastly, that its core purpose has been nearly lost of any complete understanding to the modern mind.

No pleasure is in itself evil, but the things which produce certain pleasures entail annoyances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.—Epicurus

I don't see any reason to suppress pleasure as something in and of itself, as to me it seems unnatural; the clear observation from our lives early on is we react to our environment in either pain or pleasure just like how things may be virtuous/evil and sickly/healthy.

Watching a dog chew down on a bone endlessly it appears as if they don't have understanding of limits, but aren't humans as higher level animals suppose be in control of their desires? The widespread weakness of spirits among the general population shown by collective evils notably warfare, indicates the failure of humanity for not getting a grip on pleasure. So perhaps the religious and other moralists being aware of this phenomenon made it a priority to eliminate desires that lead to excess or rather the imposter term hedonism.

What is never asked is the important foundational idea of limits: what pleasures are natural versus unnatural and what are necessary versus unnecessary pleasures?

A whole lot of religion and factitious ideologies refuses to look at things as they are. These types of philosophies are established through an imagined realm of reality where truth is based on faith; it leads to a life of error, neglecting nature and a disregard for the role of pleasure.

Likewise, for the ascetic, he only goes for what is deemed necessary for survival, consciously allowing some pain or hardship as inevitable without trying to seek further pleasures that might remove the pain. Pain as the cost to create greater pleasures is the only type pain which should be tolerated.

For the great majority the art of seeking your own profit has amounted to only specific economic gains; and while these are important, its neglected other crucial aspects of a humane life where sweeter and simpler pleasures are to be found. Economic gains can and does bring tremendous advantages facilitating a certain type of lifestyle. What's concerning is whether or not this lopsided outlook is beneficial for the individual, and ultimately for a wholesome civilization.

Nock coined the term economism to describe this sole philosophy followed by western society, which meant just caring about the "production, acquisition and distribution of wealth". This vain approach toward unnatural and unnecessary pleasures is similar to overfilling a cup, not recognizing the limits of nature causing it to reach a point where it's unstable and overflows.

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If the goal is what the Greeks referred to as eudaimonia—the humane life, flourishing, and tranquility, pleasure must be maximized while minimizing pain. Some things like food, water and shelter are natural and necessary pleasures. These are usually easy to acquire and does not take much to satisfy.

There are other things which might be natural yet not necessary, including social relations, sex, or select comforts. What should be avoided are unnatural pleasures including fame, wealth, and power. Such unnatural desires have no limits so you eventually become an easy prey to the disorder of insatiability.

Nevertheless, the key is finding the right balance of moderation between the necessary and unnecessary natural pleasures; and this will be up to your personal considerations as well as tastes. Pleasure is not a subject to be taken lightly or brushed off as irrelevant inquiry. We are all naturally motivated by self-interest so to come to terms with this understanding will ensure all of us the abundant joy we seek.

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Great article, I don't really know what to say that could add to it. I don't think we can convince most people to take up this kind of lifestyle, unfortunately, but at least those of us who value peace, simplicity, harmony and balance can find our own freedom by following the principles of eudaimonia.

Thanks!

Yeah, you're probably correct about that, seems like the most wise approach. I'm not trying to convince anyone really, I think those who are fitted for this lifestyle will find a way, they just need to be embraced.

Hey man, I like where you are going with this and I agree in principle I think but I would contest the tacked on comment about:

"A whole lot of religion and factitious ideologies refuses to look at things as they are. These types of philosophies are established through an imagined realm of reality where truth is based on faith; it leads to a life of error, neglecting nature and a disregard for the role of pleasure".

Now clearly I am religious so you can discount my comment immediately or you can hear me out.

I would just say this:
while religion, in the sense of a strict set of rules, designed to achieve some degree of piety and righteousness sufficient to, in the given religion's estimation, earn salvation, may as you say "disregard the role of pleasure". However, I would deny that faith in God, which is what I call "religion", would fit your criticism.

While faith in God is part of religion they are not necessarily connected. Religion is a set of rules, it can accompany faith in God, or not.

I guess what I am saying is it seems you are very critical of religion, and faith. You seem to state it is illogical and mistaken, and I know that's not the main point of your article but it interested me so I thought I would push back against you on that point.

Thanks for the time, have an awesome day.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

I would just say this:
while religion, in the sense of a strict set of rules, designed to achieve some degree of piety and righteousness sufficient to, in the given religion's estimation, earn salvation, may as you say "disregard the role of pleasure". I would deny that faith in God, which is what I call "religion" would meet that criticism.
While faith in God is part of religion they are not necessarily connected. Religion is a set of rules, it can accompany faith in God, or not.

I agree actually. I think if you believe in God, but don't think of religion in institutional terms like how the deists do, you are an ad hoc individualist. Calling that type of faith religion, while might be technically correct, doesn't fit the widespread consensus of what "religion" mostly entails.

I guess what I am saying is it seems you are very critical of religion, and faith. You seem to state it is illogical and mistaken, and I know that's not the main point of your article but it interested me so I thought I would push back against you on that point.

When I talk about religion, I am talking about its recognized institutional creed form. In that sense it requires faith in authority of scripture. I never said all of religion or faith is bad. I've should of been more clear though you're right it wasn't my main point, perhaps I will discuss this in another post.

Eudaimonia prerequisites balance. That was well understood back then. Also it included modesty. Not to surpass your limits.

I like how you stated your opinion. I also agree with @infidel1258, religion by all means does not equate faith in God and relation with Him.

Exactly it's something we should get back to. And yeah he's right, religion and being religious can mean so many things nowadays it's almost a meaningless term.

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