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This sort of ‘I want my doctor to do everything for me’ attitude is a big part of why modern medicine is so messed up - doctors are not dieticians, they are not pharmacists, or social workers, or occupational therapists, or dentists, or physios, or any other allied healthcare professional
Doctors don’t have time to tell people what to eat because they are overrun with patients that don’t need to be there. People need to take responsibility for their own health and health education. Then they wouldn’t need to see doctors so often and doctors would have more time to do their jobs, and maybe if they could stop drinking from the firehose every waking minute they would have time to take more of an interest in diet, rather than just sticking a finger in the hole in the dam - it’s a vicious circle

Just my 2 cents

How can anyone diagnose an issue (the doctors job) if they negate an entire element that directly impacts health? It's not me wanting a physician to do more than they are capable of, nor is asking too much for a trained physician to ask about what their patients are intaking.

Doctors have the time to do exactly as they swore to an oath to do. So they have time to write prescriptions, but not to ask pertinent questions about the patient - whom they will likely prescribe some sort of medicine to - that sounds like some bullshit, no offense. That's just our 2 pennies rubbin'...lol

I respect your opinion, but I think we might differ there. I'm not after a nanny-take-care-of me government healthcare garbage, I'm simply suggesting that holistic approach is far more beneficial in terms of long term health and wellness. Just my 2¢ in the pot.

I think we are talking at cross purposes but no worries - it’s fine to differ...

If you are a 65 year old man and you present to your doctor with change in bowel habit, weight loss, chronic fatigue etc, of course I would expect your doctor to ask about your dietary intake as they would/should be looking to exclude a diagnosis of bowel cancer and that’s a key part of the history

That’s totally different from a doctor giving dietary advice to otherwise fit and health people - that is not a doctor’s job, or at least it shouldn’t be if we want our healthcare systems to remain standing for a bit longer.

The holistic approach is great - if it is adequately funded with the right people in place doing the right things. If the holistic approach means that doctors should be doctors, social workers, physics, dieticians etc etc - well then please see my comment above

Cheers

That’s totally different from a doctor giving dietary advice to otherwise fit and health people - that is not a doctor’s job, or at least it shouldn’t be if we want our healthcare systems to remain standing for a bit longer.

I agree with that. I also understand that the healthcare system creates excess challenges for physicians that run private practices. Overregulated arena and underfunded at that. It creates a divide and health-related​ services reflect that. I don't think it's necessary for every physician to inquire about patient diet, like you mentioned, unless it is warranted and relative to the care being provided. Although, I will say that when I go see a chiropractor and he asks me about my diet, stress, etc - that to me expresses a level of superior quality - it's simply better service provided by an individual that actually cares about identifying the source of the problem , rather than just collecting a copay and billing the piss out of insurance companies.

I understand that on the face of it the chiropractor is providing a superior service - but it that really true?

Playing devils advocate, it could also be the case that the doctor who didn't ask you about diet didn't do so as it wasn't relevant and he didn't want to claim for that unnecessarily, while the chiropractor did ask you about it when it wasn't relevant and did claim unnecessarily

I guess the answer is 'it depends' - on the system, on reimbursement processes, on the individual case and so on...

Cheers

You're absolutely right, I did allow some bias to waive details. I should mention that I had been to several physicians and practices (from hospital ER to physical therapy) while a half dozen or more saw my issue as one to "manage", rather than treat.

I was told that relief from pain, for me, (I understand each individual instance varies by many factors) but that my pain could only be masked. When I found a chiropractor (referred) I went to be examined. The physician asked proper questions and gave me a plan. We identified the source of my pain, fixed the problem and eliminated the sources for that pain to return.

I'm aware that my bias remains, but also aware that 1 of a half dozen or more doctors were unwilling or unable to diagnose my problem - therefor only one of them could provide a meaningful solution, rather than masking the issue with painkillers. I asked my doctor to help me fix the problem - not put me on pain medication. I had lived with the pain for seven years+, so 'managing' it was something I was already doing on my own. I had 6-7 doctors tell me they could help, but not fix me. I had one that told me he wouldn't fail me and that he would find the problem. He did and I'm ever grateful for his simple inquiry and holistic practice. I altered my life in a better way and whatever the reason may be, I'm thankful for it ;)

On the other side of the token, I suppose public education could improve quite a bit. That might close the gap in communication a bit. It's not a doctors job to tell you what you should already know. It is up to us to be the change that we so desire to see, my friend.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and making me think @holbein81. Cheers!

I'm glad that my instance played out this way for whatever reason, but I also hope that we can multiply inquiring minds of great healthcare professionals.

Good talking to you, thanks for the additional info, and all the best for 2018 - I will keep an eye out for your posts

Cheers

Likewise, @holbein81, it was great talking to you as well. I wish you good health, wealth and prosperity in 2018 and beyond. You as well @peak.endrule! I am glad our paths aligned and I look forward to more great content from you!

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