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RE: Do non-humans possess the same inherent rights that humans do?

in #life8 years ago

just making sure where you stand. we, humans in this country have the right to peaceably assemble, how do you communicate that to an animal? a tiger is an extreme example but it is apt. this is a right that we have naturally and is not given to us. the reason it is stated is for the benefit of the government knowing that they are not allowed to deprive us of that right. there is also the idea of innocent until proven guilty. this implies that we are not allowed to assume that a tiger is prone to actions that we as reasoning beings should be aware that a perfectly evolved predator is not just capable of but actively engages in a desire to do. i would not want to find myself in a situation where i am forced to defend myself against an animal i respect for doing what it naturally does. while we are able to exclude tigers from personal property, in places like india tigers do on occasion wander into the town square. so, that is when that would ever happen.
wild humans are capable of reason. they can reason their interest in not aggressing against others. animals have rights by merit of existence, provided they can defend them. i can't see where the rights of the gazelle are when being eaten by the lion. i like animals, i love animals but i am still grappling with the idea of rights when it comes to predator/prey relationships or parasite/host for that matter . some people might even argue that in relation to psychopaths and the rest of us. not me. psychopaths are human, can reason and so do not enter into it. i try to respect the natural rights of everything. from microbes to broccoli to cats and humans. there are dynamics that i am sure i don't understand. i keep trying, and this makes it easier to have people pointing out when i'm being outrageous without adequate explanation, or just being an idiot.
i am curious where you stand on the matter of plant life. this is in all seriousness. i want to know what you think. you showed enough interest to call me out. so, how about it? also i have doubts on the ethics of owning pets. i haven't been able to get anyone to take me seriously. humans have taken animals from the environment and not just killed them without need but bred them and turned them into things they were never evolved to be. things that are dependent upon us completely in some cases. it is an extreme argument but i find it is often the extremes that best shed light on where i stand.
any opinions or thoughts and especially facts are appreciated. thanks.

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The rights of a gazelle who is being mauled and eaten by a tiger, are in the same location and or state that the rights of a rape victim are in, and that is violation.

A rape victim still has rights while they're being raped, the rapist is just violating them. A gazele still has rifhts when It id getting attacked and or eaten, the aggressor is just violating them. Rights are not guarantees.

Does an apple tree die when you eat its fruit? How about blueberry bushes?

If you do not pick fruits or vegetables, what happens? They get eaten, or they rot.

A plant can not express non-consent in any ways that a human can naturally identify. When you aggress against an animal, you get a reaction from the animal that innately informs you of their emotional state; same can't be said for plants.

Plants do not mourn and have never been proven to be sentient and or capable of processing emotion.

so, you're saying that a lion, i believe i said, that is eating a gazelle or some other animal, the only thing it is evolve to eat, is violating the rights of that animal.
is that correct? i don't want to put words in your keyboard.

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