RE: Libertarianism and Mining GORP (Trail Mix) [about to hit 9k follower!!!]
I actually wrote a whole paper on the topic of water and if it should be free or not. I came to the conclusion that it should not be free because people like me in the first world would take it for granted. Like washing a car or taking an extra long shower. If it was free, there would be no part of your mind telling you that you are wasting. When you attach a value to something like water, it makes people not want to use it in excess because it is costing them. Of course people still do waste it but it is far less than it would be.
But on the other hand, people who needs water dont have access to it and putting a price tag on it allows for these people to be marginalized and not recieve water. Fresh water is limited and its supply is growing smaller and smaller.
But a solution to this is what Israel has done. They have created desalination plants to take salt water and turn it into drinkable water. I believe most of their water, if not all of it,comes from these plants. While this isn’t economically feasible in all countries, like many in Africa, eventually better technology will allow the processs to become more efficient. It will happen eventually. As for other natural resources, I’m not sure.
You dont pay for the water. You pay for the service of bringing water to your house.
Water is Free. Anyone can Go to a river and take water from it. There is no law against It, unless It is in a enviroment protected area.
You could drill a Wheel and extract the water, but you would have to pay for the drilling, and have a permitir that have purpouse to avoid that too many wheels in a single region lower the level of underground water, thus limiting extraction to avoid a shortage of water by having too many people extracting tio many water at the same time.
What you pay is for the structure built to deliver it to your faucet.
And water is an essencial life resource. It must be free.
Well. Just to counter your point, water is not free and shouldn’t be. If you dont have FREE access to water then the water is not free. If you can easily access water then it is not free. That is like saying that a family who pays for 2 gallons of water a day is receiving free water because they are paying for the service. If getting water is not free, then water is not free. Water is clearly a commodity. I implore you to look into the coke company and at Pepsi products. Look where they are taking water from. Water is certainly not free. Americans have easy access to water. Turn on the sink and it is there. We aren’t paying for the service, because the service is there. We are paying for the water that we use. Check you bills. It will show water usage. You are paying for how much you used, not for the service.
Water can't be created. It is avaiable in the natural state. It can be transformed, but science so far haven't found a way to create water. So there is no costs in water by itself.
But to drive a water from a river to you house, there is a cost to build pumps, pipes, valves, and everything else involved on the system, so there is a cost, that is charged on your water bill. You pay for how much water you use because the cost is caculated based on how much it cost to move 1 unit of water from one place to another.
Is there a river/lake near where you live that is not enviroment protected? Have you tried to drink water from there? if so, did you had to pay?
There is still a lot of places in the world were people walk to rivers and lakes, get their water, then walk back home. They dont pay for that water.
Water is free. Processing/transport water is not free.
Respectfully. Water can be created. I have done it in the lab many times. Chemical reactions can form water. That is simple science. Also. The infrastructure is already in place. I’m not paying for the infrastructure as you suggested. It is already there. It is low maintenance. You are wrong. I am paying for the water. I am paying for bottled water when i buy it. Water is not free. I dont have access to water from a lake. So i have to buy my water. This water has a price. Stop arguing the same point that I’m making which is that we have to pay for water. Is your argument that governments should allocate water for free? Not charge anything for this water?
No, im saying that things that have a cost can be sold. So, the cost If creating an infrastructure to transport the can be charged. Not the water itself.
For you to have that bottled water you are paying the cost If transport and filtering that water, plus the bottled costs, plus the comercial costs, plus the profit.
Water still remaing Free. The way the water gets to your hands os what create the cost and price.
Also, Basic chemical law: nothing is created, enverything is transformed.
If possible to transform particles in water in large scale there would be a cost and effort in doing so, therefore, It wouldnt be free.
Water in natural state remains Free.
No sir. That law is for energy or matter. Chemicals are most definitely created through reactions. But you are over complicating things. Water simply is not free. Maybe i should have specified clean water is not free. Because sure you can go down to the river and drink some water. But you’ll get sick. Ill revise my argument and say “CLEAN water is not free”
Yeah, sure. You Win.
Now Go study a bit about How pricing Works.
I mean... pricing works in many ways sir. Maybe you should be the one studying. Because it seems you dont have any idea what you’re talking about. The fact of the matter is that clean water is not free. If it was free, then people would have easy access to it. I implore you to go look up the United Nations statements about water being a commodity. I also implore you to look up how water can be made chemically. I also implore you to go look up how water gets from one place to another and tell me how the cost of that relates to how high water bills are. You are paying for the pipes and shit. You are paying for the water. It is the only variable that accounts for the price of a water bill. I’m sure that you seem to misinformed and should look more into water being “free”
“Fresh water IS a limited resource. You Mat not think It is only because its easy to Just open a faucet and let the water flow.”
This is what you commented to someone else. So this is supporting my view that water is not free. Because when you have a limited supply of a commodity, the price goes up. Why else is water more expensive nowadays? Is it because the pipes are somehow newer? No. Obviously they aren’t, so the only thing that accounts for this is that water is becoming more scarce driving the price up. Simple supply and demand economics sir. The price of the pipes aren’t going up. That doesn’t even make sense. Reevaluate your argument. And the amount of fresh water that is naturally occurring is fixed like you also said to someone else. But science is providing ways to CREATE water. You should look into science laws and theories as well since you confused the law of conservation of energy and matter with chemicals. Water certainly can be created and i have done it multiple times. But also, desalination plants take salt water and make it fresh water that can be used for drinking. This is going to make the supply of fresh water expand since we can now transform salt water to fresh water. Look into that as well. You are arguing that pipes and infrastructure are the cause of the price of water. But it isn’t because the cost of that is nowhere near equal to what a water bill shows.
This tells on you. You can only feel this way if the only value you have is monetary. I don't think you really believe that. Water has more than monetary value, and thus can be appreciated other than as simply an expense.
Also, water in Venezuela isn't water in Utah, or Mongolia. Water is variably locally common and scarce, and hour long showers in British Columbia don't deprive Yemenis of water.
Merry Christmas!
You are being unrealistic.of course people worry about the expense of water. You dont want to spend too much on it or you wont be able to afford your other bills. Of course this is true. It is not that the only value i have is monetary. That is actually far from the truth if you actually knew me. Yes water has more than a monetary value. But I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about it isn’t free. So the value i am focusing on IS the monetary value.
You’re also correct again that the water in California doesn’t affect the water in India. That’s correct. But it doesn’t mean excesssive use doesn’t deplete the resource in those areas. There is a GLOBAL water shortage. This doesn’t mean all areas are scarce of water. But the overall amount of fresh water is being threatened.
Merry Christmas to you too! And happy HODLdays lol :)