I have to say that like most non-muslim people I see them as very oppressive to women, and like most atheists I see all religions as mythologies designed to oppress everyone...
I actually live over the road from the biggest mosque in New Zealand so I see a lot of these any time I look out the window!
No sift.. Its not like this.. Never we are opressed.. Never..
I have full freedom.. Freedom of everything.. What you think is freedom.. I have all.. I have no restrictions..
Do you ever read quran? Quran is islam.. Islam is quran.. What you heard from others what yoy heard from opponents is myth.. Reality you can see only when you ll read the book that is actual word of god.. May be you ll not believe me your myths ll not allow you to do it.. So better way to know anything is this that experiment it.. Read it analyse it then think about it but not with douted heart with pure heart..
You asked me that we are opressed.. But i can go to market college uni even after wedding i did masters of education.. I did job.. I did what i wish my husband my family neva stopped me.. How can i be opressed..? I have all facilities to enjoy cell phone internet whatever you think is a facility... Women of my family are doing jobs business having business of schools colleges doing trade..
They all business ladies have their own big houses alot of servants at home.. Many of them are doctors pharmacists thetapists etc.. All are doing work.. Some take abayas with their own wish many dont take abaya.. I neva heard a quarrel in any family on this topic.. Sift religions are not myths.. This is a long topic.. I ll try to summon it in short essay.. Tell me did you ever study quran? If not then you cant say without reading it anything about it.. Like a many myths and stories we heard in our childhood about many things like we heard many stories about earth shape or sunset and sunrise places.. But scienve proved all that were wrong.. How you know that they were wrong.. Or how you know that what is science theories.. By reading them.. So read Quran once in your life.. And then after reading it you can ask from your heart ir quran a myth or reality?
No - I never read any religious books - my favourite book of wisdom is Catch 22
We watch the women at the mosque enter by the side door while the men enter the main entrance, they prey on Sunday while the men prey on Friday, (they say Friday is better) and we watch the women walk 10 feet behind the men looking at the ground with their heads covered - all of this speaks louder than any book.
In New Zealand wearing an abaya pretty much means no job...
Few things our religion do not teach.. But its in our societys roots as hundreds of years in pak and india hindu and muslim live together.. Disrespect of woman, consider her low standard etc were in hindu religion as they had four casts the lower were shoudr and higher was brhamn.. Shoudr even cant touch and see at brhman face.. Shoudrs place was in feet.. Now india is better.. Even they buried or murdered girls coz being a father of girl is a shame in indian society just like before islam in saudia this thing was common in arabic people but before islam.. When islam came it was prohibited and banned.. Islam give much honor and respect to ladies.. Everything banned in islam has some solid reason behind it.. Like you drink wine.. Wine is banned in islam and 1400 years ago god tell us that wine is bad for health and after drinking it man loose his control on himself and can commet any crime so god banned it.. And its for human sake not for god sake.. Actually anything that has some severe bad effects on human health or soul or harmful for humanity is banned in islam and todays science proved all those things that god tell us in quran 1400 years ago.. Can you allow your kid to jump from a high building to commit suicide? Surely you ll not.. Then how can a god who create us who love who create whole wotrld and love it how can he allow us to do anything that is bad for us..many bad things you ll see in muslim society is not islam.. Its our regions culture our own shortcomings its due to our ignorance and due to leaving quran.. Its not quran or islam fault.. Like dowry.. Islam has clear system of rules and regulations.. Islam said that man is the manager of home or president of home its his duty to protect all women of home respect women of home its his duty to provide all necessities of life to his women.. Finance is mens duty in islam.. So it is the reason that islam give some more power to man in management on the other hand god say that woman is physically week and its true we are.. Woman cant do as hard work as man can do.. On the other hand woman bear pain of delevery and after that he become more week then she unable to work on two places like outside job and inside kids care and household work.. So islam give managed solution.. He divided duties finance is duty of man and home is duty of woman.. But interesting thing is this that islam neva banned ladies outside work.. Islam allowed if you need or society need a woman services she can do work can earn and she is only owner of her income or earning.. Still finance is man duty not woman.. So in this respect dowry is not islam custom.. Islam insists simplicity so simple marriage ceremony is in islam.. As i described above in india a daughter is consider burden so the boy who married her demanded girls parents to give him some paymnt as he was taking their burden on his shoulders so girls parents try to give many things like furniture house car bike etc what boy or his parents demand from them.. So dowry culture is still in our society as hindu muslim lived together.. But its not in islam.. Islam said its not girl or girls parents duty to provide any finance to boy rather its boy duty to earn and provide everything to girl.. On the other hand islam give equal status to both man in woman in all other aspects.. Like if they say prayers both ll equalky rewarded in home both have equal status if man is president at home then woman is her prime minister.. I am so blessed so respected being a woman muslim woman that no other religion give such respect to woman.. What i earn i can spent where i want its not my duty to spent at my hby and kids but what my hby earn his duty to spent on us.. And he always do.. In many otger respects i have many benefits.. So our societies have many wrong things wrong cultures that are not in islam.. Its true we are away from true teachings of islam.. Its our fault that we are not good muslims not islam or allah fault..
Not only quran but also read bible or any other religion book you like you can study then compare them and adopt what your heart like most.. Coz all religions are agreed on one thing that is a single creator or god.. Then if he is creator someone is owner of this world meaning of our whole life will change after accepting this
Hmmmm
You are right.. Its human nature that our mind demand logics..
River is made from drops.. But these rain drops and making of these rain drops is the part of system created by allah.. We use word Allah for that creator and its a unique word it is only in Quran.. You can do one experiment.. I once read in a non muslim doctors book.. He wrote that he experiment on this word in all diseases.. And this word Allah has magical effects.. You can try it.. Only say this word again and again all time has magical effects.. You ll feel its effect in depths of your heart.. Can you imagine if the name is so powerful then how much powerful will be Allah Himself..
Quran also explains about rain 1400 years ago.. Meaning of verses is somehow like this that Allah made sun then heat of sun creates steam from see water.. This steam goes up and convert to clouds.. Then allah ordered air and it take clouds with it to the destination where allah ordered.. Then on its destination these clouds showered rain.. This rain on one side give a new life to plants an on otherside it increase quantity in riber water.. Allah create glaciers and when they melt results in creation of sea and rivers..
Quran a book that 1400 years ago told us about those things which were even not in a small part of human brain.. That book how can be an ordinary book.. This book is a live masterpiece.. Coz its not human written.. Its god wording.. Now how can anyone prove that its allahs word.. Its quran that will prove itself.. Who will read it with pure heart.. Quran will prove itself to his reader.. Doctor zakir naaek from india.. You can search his videos on youtube.. He talk in english so you can understand him easily..cheque Nouman ali khan @noumanbayyinah on facebook.. He is good lecturer.. Many non muslims following her.. You can get answers of your questions from him to.. Can ask me anytime.. You are so good at heart.. I specially praying for you in my prayers.. For your and kiwidebs good peacefullife.. You are my golden memory here on steemit.. I ll remember you both even after leaving steemit platform..
Thanks for all your info - there is a lot of wisdom in there but all religions put me off - I see them as allegories that often fall into corruption...
I have to say that like most non-muslim people I see them as very oppressive to women, and like most atheists I see all religions as mythologies designed to oppress everyone...
I actually live over the road from the biggest mosque in New Zealand so I see a lot of these any time I look out the window!
No sift.. Its not like this.. Never we are opressed.. Never..
I have full freedom.. Freedom of everything.. What you think is freedom.. I have all.. I have no restrictions..
Do you ever read quran? Quran is islam.. Islam is quran.. What you heard from others what yoy heard from opponents is myth.. Reality you can see only when you ll read the book that is actual word of god.. May be you ll not believe me your myths ll not allow you to do it.. So better way to know anything is this that experiment it.. Read it analyse it then think about it but not with douted heart with pure heart..
You asked me that we are opressed.. But i can go to market college uni even after wedding i did masters of education.. I did job.. I did what i wish my husband my family neva stopped me.. How can i be opressed..? I have all facilities to enjoy cell phone internet whatever you think is a facility... Women of my family are doing jobs business having business of schools colleges doing trade..
They all business ladies have their own big houses alot of servants at home.. Many of them are doctors pharmacists thetapists etc.. All are doing work.. Some take abayas with their own wish many dont take abaya.. I neva heard a quarrel in any family on this topic.. Sift religions are not myths.. This is a long topic.. I ll try to summon it in short essay.. Tell me did you ever study quran? If not then you cant say without reading it anything about it.. Like a many myths and stories we heard in our childhood about many things like we heard many stories about earth shape or sunset and sunrise places.. But scienve proved all that were wrong.. How you know that they were wrong.. Or how you know that what is science theories.. By reading them.. So read Quran once in your life.. And then after reading it you can ask from your heart ir quran a myth or reality?
No - I never read any religious books - my favourite book of wisdom is Catch 22
We watch the women at the mosque enter by the side door while the men enter the main entrance, they prey on Sunday while the men prey on Friday, (they say Friday is better) and we watch the women walk 10 feet behind the men looking at the ground with their heads covered - all of this speaks louder than any book.
In New Zealand wearing an abaya pretty much means no job...
Few things our religion do not teach.. But its in our societys roots as hundreds of years in pak and india hindu and muslim live together.. Disrespect of woman, consider her low standard etc were in hindu religion as they had four casts the lower were shoudr and higher was brhamn.. Shoudr even cant touch and see at brhman face.. Shoudrs place was in feet.. Now india is better.. Even they buried or murdered girls coz being a father of girl is a shame in indian society just like before islam in saudia this thing was common in arabic people but before islam.. When islam came it was prohibited and banned.. Islam give much honor and respect to ladies.. Everything banned in islam has some solid reason behind it.. Like you drink wine.. Wine is banned in islam and 1400 years ago god tell us that wine is bad for health and after drinking it man loose his control on himself and can commet any crime so god banned it.. And its for human sake not for god sake.. Actually anything that has some severe bad effects on human health or soul or harmful for humanity is banned in islam and todays science proved all those things that god tell us in quran 1400 years ago.. Can you allow your kid to jump from a high building to commit suicide? Surely you ll not.. Then how can a god who create us who love who create whole wotrld and love it how can he allow us to do anything that is bad for us..many bad things you ll see in muslim society is not islam.. Its our regions culture our own shortcomings its due to our ignorance and due to leaving quran.. Its not quran or islam fault.. Like dowry.. Islam has clear system of rules and regulations.. Islam said that man is the manager of home or president of home its his duty to protect all women of home respect women of home its his duty to provide all necessities of life to his women.. Finance is mens duty in islam.. So it is the reason that islam give some more power to man in management on the other hand god say that woman is physically week and its true we are.. Woman cant do as hard work as man can do.. On the other hand woman bear pain of delevery and after that he become more week then she unable to work on two places like outside job and inside kids care and household work.. So islam give managed solution.. He divided duties finance is duty of man and home is duty of woman.. But interesting thing is this that islam neva banned ladies outside work.. Islam allowed if you need or society need a woman services she can do work can earn and she is only owner of her income or earning.. Still finance is man duty not woman.. So in this respect dowry is not islam custom.. Islam insists simplicity so simple marriage ceremony is in islam.. As i described above in india a daughter is consider burden so the boy who married her demanded girls parents to give him some paymnt as he was taking their burden on his shoulders so girls parents try to give many things like furniture house car bike etc what boy or his parents demand from them.. So dowry culture is still in our society as hindu muslim lived together.. But its not in islam.. Islam said its not girl or girls parents duty to provide any finance to boy rather its boy duty to earn and provide everything to girl.. On the other hand islam give equal status to both man in woman in all other aspects.. Like if they say prayers both ll equalky rewarded in home both have equal status if man is president at home then woman is her prime minister.. I am so blessed so respected being a woman muslim woman that no other religion give such respect to woman.. What i earn i can spent where i want its not my duty to spent at my hby and kids but what my hby earn his duty to spent on us.. And he always do.. In many otger respects i have many benefits.. So our societies have many wrong things wrong cultures that are not in islam.. Its true we are away from true teachings of islam.. Its our fault that we are not good muslims not islam or allah fault..
Not only quran but also read bible or any other religion book you like you can study then compare them and adopt what your heart like most.. Coz all religions are agreed on one thing that is a single creator or god.. Then if he is creator someone is owner of this world meaning of our whole life will change after accepting this
And that bit is the major problem for me - is a river made by millions of raindrops or by a single god?
And whatever the answer is, could any person define it in a book?
As you say, we all have to choose our own path.
Maybe not this one...
Hmmmm
You are right.. Its human nature that our mind demand logics..
River is made from drops.. But these rain drops and making of these rain drops is the part of system created by allah.. We use word Allah for that creator and its a unique word it is only in Quran.. You can do one experiment.. I once read in a non muslim doctors book.. He wrote that he experiment on this word in all diseases.. And this word Allah has magical effects.. You can try it.. Only say this word again and again all time has magical effects.. You ll feel its effect in depths of your heart.. Can you imagine if the name is so powerful then how much powerful will be Allah Himself..
Quran also explains about rain 1400 years ago.. Meaning of verses is somehow like this that Allah made sun then heat of sun creates steam from see water.. This steam goes up and convert to clouds.. Then allah ordered air and it take clouds with it to the destination where allah ordered.. Then on its destination these clouds showered rain.. This rain on one side give a new life to plants an on otherside it increase quantity in riber water.. Allah create glaciers and when they melt results in creation of sea and rivers..
Quran a book that 1400 years ago told us about those things which were even not in a small part of human brain.. That book how can be an ordinary book.. This book is a live masterpiece.. Coz its not human written.. Its god wording.. Now how can anyone prove that its allahs word.. Its quran that will prove itself.. Who will read it with pure heart.. Quran will prove itself to his reader.. Doctor zakir naaek from india.. You can search his videos on youtube.. He talk in english so you can understand him easily..cheque Nouman ali khan @noumanbayyinah on facebook.. He is good lecturer.. Many non muslims following her.. You can get answers of your questions from him to.. Can ask me anytime.. You are so good at heart.. I specially praying for you in my prayers.. For your and kiwidebs good peacefullife.. You are my golden memory here on steemit.. I ll remember you both even after leaving steemit platform..
Thanks for all your info - there is a lot of wisdom in there but all religions put me off - I see them as allegories that often fall into corruption...
Ok.. I respected Your decission.. May god help you in all ways af life to ba easy and peaceful.. Ameen