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RE: Dear Climate Alarmists...

in #informationwar5 years ago

first of all, how many scientists did you query before you wrote the line, "scientists who report facts about the climate that are not in line with the mainstream message of climate alarmism, are systemically marginalized."

is there a reason they are marginalized? did you look at who backs their paycheck? who supports their research? maybe their science is flawed by their desire to hold the divergent opinion in order to sell more books? what percentage of scientists fall in line with the mainstream vs the marginalized few, and what does that tell us?

it's always good to check history and sources, and to look at why someone might be shouted down by their own peers

Ross McKitreck aligns with Exxon Mobil. He advocated for the North American pipeline from Canada to the Gulf, which is problematic in the extreme, and wrote this surprising comment;

“[B]lockading pipeline resource development is neither a smart nor sustainable approach to pursuing environmental goals,” McKitrick said. “Completion of an interprovincial pipeline would be a boost for national unity and economic development, and it would be entirely consistent with the smart, technology-driven approach to environmental management that we have successfully pursued for many decades.”

He isn't talking about environmental goals, he is talking about business goals. He is talking about whats good for the economy, not for the environment. The NAPL puts the environment at risk with the danger of contamination to the Ogallala Aquifer, a shared water resource under several US states. Sure the risk might be minimal, but once the damage is done, how do you reverse it? Millions of families and businesses rely on that water for their daily needs.

Another statement from Ross McKittrick, "scientist":

“We deny that carbon dioxide—essential to all plant growth—is a pollutant. Reducing greenhouse gases cannot achieve significant reductions in future global temperatures, and the costs of the policies would far exceed the benefits.”

Carbon dioxide IS a pollutant when it is out of proportion to plants and trees ability to utilize it. A surplus of carbon dioxide creates an overabundance of greenhouse gases that trap heat in the atmosphere, causing ice caps to melt and ocean levels to rise, which causes flooding. Any scientist knows that. Yet this guy dismisses it as unimportant. Probably because governments dont want to piss off big business, who would be the major players in reducing CO2 emissions.

If you present facts in a skewed way to support your opinion, then present it as science, that is not fact. It's bullshit.

RM was on the panel to advise President Trump how to put a positive spin when Trump dismantled the EPA. And you wonder why he is marginalized? He advocates for big business. He isnt an environmentalist, he is just someone who has a degree in Environmental science and uses it to coat his own pockets by holding a position politicians and business men use to counteract public opinion.

This is why he is being marginalized, imho.

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Carbon dioxide IS a pollutant when it is out of proportion to plants and trees ability to utilize it.

If you know anything about plants and carbon it's that right now we aren't even half way to what is optimal for them, so yes it's out of proportion, the levels of carbon would need to triple for them to even come to optimal. They are literally built to suck carbon dioxide through the leafs, and they aren't stressed by "all this 450ppm carbon dioxide".

So why is there this scare about co2, among the Scientists? Why are they huffing and puffing this strawman?

No matter that plants can use it, besides we destroying the big green masses to fix that excess from the atmosphere back into organic matter, the excess translate in heat, and they die in drought and scorching conditions.

Lots of pseudoscience to justify things (pd. I'm a former scientist, I don't work at it right now but I see how information is always sweeping to keep people in the blind). There's no truth but the truth, life will thrive on Earth but eventually (at this pace) without us and many other species as we know them. It's all about BALANCE. Every year thousands of species become extinct (NO UNDO FOR THAT), I don't even think we´ll bother to change things before it's late.
what does it change? we know meat industry and transportation pollute the air, we know plastic poison the seas...
we always will look for justification for our own comfort.

You think that life will thrive but the most adaptable species will not survive. Makes sense.

No, I just feel empathy for mammals who will likely perish, I find sad that I'm envisioning it, if it can be prevented, call it empathy as I am one too. pd I'm a Animal and Molecular Biologist. Koalas has just enrolled the list of "functionally extinct" they won't survive another generation and those might be one that ring bells but that doesn't change the fact the CURRENT extinction rate is 1000 times HIGHER than it would be in natural background WITHOUT our interference. It takes not much effort.
Life thriving will be likely those cheeky bacteria that are starting to eat plastic. And yes "LIFE" will thrive. It makes sense .

Yes, mamal life is so fragile and will not adapt, so so sad.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2011/03/04/Greenpeace-CoFounder-Slams-Species-Extinction-Scare-Study-as-proof-of-how-peerreview-process-has-become-corrupted-ndash-Study-greatly-underestimate-the-rate-new-species-can-evolve/

https://reason.com/2016/08/26/most-scientific-results-are-wrong-or-use

I read a study on seeing evolution in bacteria, 50k> generations, what was the conclusion? There's no such thing as evolution. The bacteria "evolved" (adapted to the environment) and subsequently went completely sterile and died off (O no, it went extinct like 99.9999999999999999% of species that ever existed), or they found that the it lost it's adaptability to the environment and the environment killed it (O no, extinction because of the micro liliputians). Another study, grew lactose intolerant bacteria in milk, talk about a hostile environment and thriving. Going along those lines, talk about the numerous species that constantly turn out to not be extinct.

Science suffers GREATLY because of the Certainty that it freely affords itself, instead of exemplifying the great doubt, the inquisitive prowess that reasons and investigates, the great how and why it peddles in conjecture and supposition for many "basis". If it didn't suffer greatly the articles above would have not existed as it would be completely ridiculous notion that these rigorous studies and numerous people could fuck up so much, but one doesn't even have to look for that, only to question well, because exactly like the bullshit of that other person in the comments, claiming that co2 impacts our diet by contributing to nutrition deficiency as plants apparently had less zinc and iron, it had nothing to say to "what about feeding the plants" as it was postulating better genetics, avoiding the obvious.

And yes, indeed, the most adaptable species, human life, won't thrive, because bacteria somehow are "cheekier" when it comes to Thriving.

Last Saturday Kuwait registered the highest Temperature registered 63.3 C The temperature in Fahrenheit would be around 145
Where I live we usually have cool weather, still we are undergoing too a heatwave at the moment, not less than 40C forecast for the following weak, all the old beechwoods drying or burning in wild fires. :(

If really that's the the world we prefer to live in I'm not entering more into discussions

And that is because of man made global warming? Or is it cooling? Why do we see far more cooling happening? Is it because the same thing happened almost 200 years ago, when the last solar minimum occurred, where it seems we are heading for again?

People like to whine about a few degrees of change in average temperatures as if that isn't what happened in the past, as if we never had really hot and short summers before, which were followed by long and cold winters, because the environment is a delicate creature, and all predicated on nonsense like "balance" or the inherent fragility of the "ecosystem", which is convenient in fear mongering because looking at how quickly the temperature changes from day to night or how adaptable life is by looking at what it went through during the past lends itself to optimism in regards the future of life and species, not bleak, bacteria as the highest form of life, cesspools. I don't prefer to live in fear, and I don't prefer that bleak pessimistic outlook about "those cheeky bacteria".

where do you get your data?

Search for How much co2 is optimal for (ie dogs)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=How+much+co2+is+optimal+for&ia=web

Ambient CO2 level in outside air is about 340 ppm by volume. All plants grow well at this level but as CO2 levels are raised by 1,000 ppm photosynthesis increases proportionately resulting in more sugars and carbohydrates available for plant growth. Any actively growing crop in a tightly clad greenhouse with little or no ventilation can readily reduce the CO2 level during the day to as low as 200 ppm.

Real World Facts. And why are you asking such a question? Do you have anything to the contrary, anything to substantiate your claims, or you're going to rely simply on your insinuating questions that somehow my sources are incorrect or outright completely mistaken? Where do YOU get your data, and more importantly, why don't you readily know what you're talking about and are so completely mistaken about it?

why I asked is because its apparent you are taking data relevant to greenhouses, and trying to equate them to the earth, like the earth is a giant greenhouse, a closed system. while the mechanisms are similar, you are discounting the fact that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for decades. higher atmospheric CO2 negatively alters nutritional content in crops, among other things, sapping nutrients like zinc, iron and protein. So while crops might produce more, the lack of nutrients will cause more dietary issues, and still not use all of the atmospheric CO2. I get my information from science journals. by scientists.

why I asked is because its apparent you are taking data relevant to greenhouses, and trying to equate them to the earth, like the earth is a giant greenhouse, a closed system

No, I am not comparing the earth to a greenhouse, I'm pointing to the fact that Optimal Levels of CO2 for plants (not for greenhouse, anywhere) is 3x4 times more than current levels.

Carbon dioxide IS a pollutant when it is out of proportion to plants and trees ability to utilize it.

So that is clearly wrong, the optimal level of CO2 is not even halfway there, so what are you sounding the alarm about?

O yes:

you are discounting the fact that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for decades.

What are you talking about? Co2 never goes away, it's released by plants art night when they consume oxygen, and by us, animals of all faiths and prejudices all the time, and it seems that you think we're "aging" it somehow or that it's "trapped" or that it's not a natural cycle, all of which is Bullshit.

higher atmospheric CO2 negatively alters nutritional content in crops, among other things, sapping nutrients like zinc, iron and protein.

How, by what mechanism, is it that by some unintended consequences there's just enough minerals that plants have access to for the CO2 levels we have right now? So the fact that they grow, Faster, and Produce more by three digit percentages than compared to current atmospheric CO2 levels, that they don't have the nutrients that they need? Like the crops cannot be fertilized, like the soil cannot sustain so much plant building? And even though they produce more, they don't need to remove any carbon but maintain it at optimal levels, which, is a matter of "that's for greenhouses". No, that's a matter of plants producing more, utilizing the CO2, and I call it bullshit to try and twist it into "dietary issues". Show me these fabled "journals" that turn the real world on it's head, why do I have a doubt that someone who leads with a loaded question regarding sources (and incidentally the claims), won't do anything to that effect.

This ammounts to "all these people tried to find if any significant changes in nutrient makeup happen with increased co2 and they found little to any conclusive or repeatable data about the changes in nutrient make up, but we ran our own test, and then analized all their data to correlate for high incidents and we found paltry 8-9%" Vs the real world:

"we tried to find optimal plant growth, and discovered that at 1200 ppm CO2 plants produce the most, grow the fastest, if feed they can eat nutrients by the boatload, their vigorous growth inhibits pests and means faster turnover rate" it would be wonderful if people could grow planted twice as fast and produce twice what they regularly do, and that study, it literally completely avoided that nutrition is predicated on what the plants eat.

Like the crops cannot be fertilized

Exactly like that I guess.

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