Gaslighting 101 with Marc Lamont Hill
Marc Lamont Hill joins a CNN panel of posers, all of whom are sporting obnoxious hipster eyewear to talk trash about Kanye West’s recent tweets.
- (a.) Trump’s campaign was based on white supremacy.
- (b.) Trump’s campaign was based on white nationalism.
- (c.) Trump’s campaign wants to erase immigrant voices.
Claim (a.) is clearly false, and the media has been trying to portray Trump as a white supremacist to no avail for quite some time now. It’s important to note that Hill, himself, he doesn’t even attempt to prove his claim with evidence, because it’s not true, and he doesn’t have any.
Claim (b.) is also false, unless you approach it from the notion that Trump is a white guy, and he believes in nationalism, as opposed to globalism. But, I don't think that was what Hill was going for, it seemed to me that Hill wanted to associate Trump with racist people in his claim that Trump’s campaign is predicated on ‘white nationalism’, which is entirely different from being white, and a nationalist, yet again another fail on Hill's part.
Claim (c.) Trump wants to erase immigrant voices, well that’s clearly not true. Trump’s wife is an immigrant; she emigrated from Slovenia and became the first naturalized citizen to become FLOTUS. She is probably one of the most powerful immigrant voices in the white house, and she has direct access to the president. Hill again fails at reality.
It is my guess that with respect to claim (c.) Hill is talking about the voices of immigrants who have migrated to the united States by illegally crossing the border. If that is what Hill's intention was with the third claim, then to be quite frank his opinion really doesn’t matter, as it seems that he’s just casting aspersions, and touting nonsense.
Historically, no self respecting nation state in the history of the world confers voting benefits on those who enter their countries illegally.
Unless and until they’ve been naturalized, and there's a process for that.
As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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I recall the surprise about the turnout. Inner-city blacks voted overwhelmingly Trump though overall the black Republican vote was up only a few percentage points compared with in 2012. Meanwhile the Democrats saw a large decline in support from the black vote compared with in 2012.
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Trump may not be a white supremacist, but he surely talks very little (if at all) against them when they come out.
He is certainly a nationalist, as is reflected by his obsolete mercantilist trade policy
And he is rather xenophobic when obsessing about ARBITRARILY illegal immigrants. He has not been able to prove that "illegal" immigrants voted en masse, and immigration laws are (almost?) entirely based on racism/discrimination
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@pgveer, I like the feedback!
If Trump threw liberals red meat, and said 'I am not a racist'. He'd be playing right into their hands, and virtue signaling at that. They'd ask him to say it over and over again. They'd invite him on shows to say it.
When/if he refused, they'd call him racist for refusing. You've seen how ridiculous the things have gotten with that word. They've redefined it into something entirely new. It seems to me that his actions speak well enough for themselves.
I don't think Trump is xenophobic, I think he just doesn't like to eat shit sandwiches . Take MS13 for example, they have the audacity to come into the country illegally and go on crime sprees.
They kill many people, in fact their modus operandi contributes to the problem of xenophobia because they get people to fear them through the use of force, violence, and murder.
So when you have a gang that is composed of largely of (or only of) Hispanic people, and they are doing these terrible things. Simple minded folks might fall victim to gross generalizations and succumb to xenophobia.
The immigration process must be controlled, and people must be vetted before coming into the country. Especially, in this day and age where terrorism is used primarily as a tool, in order to wage political influence.
Can you prove "illegal" immigrants did not vote en masse?
How do you figure that immigration laws are discriminatory?
Do you think nations that enforce their border laws are racist?
That's not how proof works. YOU claim something, YOU have to prove it. SO far, "illegals" voting and Russian collusion have the same amount of substantial proof, i.e. nil
Check the progressive history of the US (and Canada, for that matter). ALL laws from that era explicitly barred immigration from certain countries because of inherently racist sentiments
Finally, I DID add discrimination. So while anti-immigration laws may not be "racist" (whites rejecting blacks), they ARE discriminatory. Before the 1860s, virtually anyone could come to the US
Just to be clear: Am I correct in understanding that you are not making the claim that everyone who voted, did so legally? If so, that might be exactly in line with what Trump was suggesting.
You are claiming that: 'ALL laws from that era explicitly barred immigration from certain countries because of inherently racist sentiments' Do you have proof of this?
As far as your third point, that was before we had socialism/welfare services, and anyone migrating into the country had to provide for themselves and be self sufficient.
I am making the claim that there is (so far) no proof showing that throes of people who couldn't vote did.
Here's one source on immigration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era#Immigration
Finally, saying that "illegal" immigrants live off welfare is ludicrous. My husband does taxes for many "illegals", and I can tell you that they work much harder than the average "Native" American. They come here to work and better their situation; why would they leech off people?
Well, the claim that you speak of will only get harder and harder to prove as more immigrants return home and apply to migrate through the appropriate legal channels.
The paragraph you cited does not prove that:
"ALL laws from that era explicitly barred immigration from certain countries because of inherently racist sentiments".It couples racist attitudes of the time, along with the more reasonable fact that a massive influx of unskilled labor, and underpaid laborers directly influenced the ability of unions to collectively barter for higher wages.
Money talks, money is what most people are concerned with. Granted their would have been some racism, but in large part I believe the reason for the legislation would have more to do with the money aspect, than it did as an appeal to racist people.
So I don't think that one can definitively say that, racism was the sole motivation behind all anti-immigration laws, as money is the primary motivation behind most legislation. It cost money to lobby, and the pay off is worth it, or they wouldn't push to get the law. Your average racist person, can not afford to lobby congress to pass a law.
Who knows with unions though, back in the day. They could have used racism and hatred as a tool in order to achieve their legislative ends, and thereby capitalizing off of useful idiots within their ranks.
I guess my only issue with that claim is that it's overly absolutist, but their might be some truth to it with some of the laws, probably not all though, as money is always the primary reason.
I didn't say that illegal immigrants live off welfare. Yet it is true that some do. You cannot blanket say that "illegals" work hard or don't and expect to be accurate. Everyone is an individual. Some work hard, some do not. Some take advantage of the system, and some do not. The only reason that someone might leech off of a system is if the system allows for it.