How long has the FBI been subverted, Part One (My own Deep State Theory)(The Mafia?)

in #informationwar8 years ago (edited)

Yesterday, I ran out of gas quickly while working on How long has the Left controlled the FBI? Let's start looking for evidence.. I was so tired that when I went to the bathroom to throw my socks in the hamper and take a leak...I threw my socks in the toilet. I'm just glad I stopped there ;>

Looking at that post, I can see a lot that needs to be fixed.


Image Source -Ammoland

The question is going to be, How long has the FBI been an instrument of the Deep State?

I'm not going to be able to answer the question, What is the Deep State?

There are just too many variables for a definite answer. We know, for a fact, that the latest crimes have been committed by a conspiracy that protected Clinton from charges and attempted to subvert the 2016 Presidential elections.

We can look at other things the FBI has done since then, and use a timeline to weigh actions against the alliances we know existed at the time.

It appears that the latest conspiracy is leftist/Democratic Party oriented, but we will need to dig deeper than that. Of course, that does point at the possibility that Leftism is a prime mover of the Deep State, but that does ignore indicators of corruption influenced by banking interests. It also excludes the subversion and/or corruption of the Republican Party.

The Overview

I'll give you my theory on the Deep State as it stands today...
The Deep State has been primarily a banking conspiracy throughout our country's history...while it did have power, it did not attempt to control everything; it also did not attempt control of the media overall.

Developments in propaganda/psy ops/information war began to interest members of the Deep State. Media outlets (primarily newspapers and the publishing industry) started getting bought out in the early 20th century. Some of the darker possibilities (population reduction and control) start appearing in conspiracy theory at this time. Other members of Steemit explore these possibilities better than I do.

There is a connection between leftist movements and the Deep State I do not understand. I do not think that Leftism is a creation of the Deep State, although I can understand the theory that people assert along those lines (especially Marx's business connections).

In my opinion, Deep State subversion of the security community starts slightly before WWII, with FDR. This process intensifies after WWII. My best guesses at this time are:

  • The Justice and State Departments get infiltrated during FDR's administration
  • The CIA and DOD right after WWII; the subversion of the CIA is completed after the Church Committee
  • The FBI after Hoover's death, and the doors open wide to corruption after the Church Committee

Some egghead theories to think about while we look at events and possible causes.

  • Shit Happens
    As long as the possibility that an event can be ascribed to be a mistake, people will use a mistake as a reason for a hostile event....because that event could be an accident.

  • False dichotomies (binary thinking)
    There are two things to consider here
    -There can be multiple causes for an event.
    -Most things do not have an either/or explanation

  • Organizational Growth
    These are very related theories; all come to the point that organizations eventually work to protect the interest of the organization...not the job the organization was created to do. This is different than corruption or subversion influences.
    1)Growth Complex
    2)Bureaucratic Politics
    3)Iron Law of Bureaucracy

  • Baptists and Bootleggers
    This refers to the tendencies of rent-seekers (the corrupt) and do-gooders to align politically to subvert the rule of law. The degradation of the 3rd and 4th Amendments begins with Prohibition.

Rent-seeking refers to processes that provide accumulation of profit from other people's capital and work. The term do-gooding has little to do with the actual performance of acts that create good results, but instead refers to processes with have the appearance of doing good and building personal social capital on that appearance.
Human Goverance and Critical Thinking, Conclusion

  • Robert Conquest’s Three Laws of Politics
    Conquest studied the genocide of Russians and Ukrainians under leftist rule. I refer to his 2nd and 3rd laws.
    -Second Law: Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
    -Third Law: The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.

We can knock some variables off the table...La Cosa Nostra (The Mafia)

In the first installment, I noted the possibility that the Mafia may be part of the Deep State. I don't think so, but let's dig in and make sure.

It is a fact that there are connections between politicians/burrocrats and mafia organizations:

  • FDR's deal with the mafia to safeguard our Atlantic ports during WWII
  • CIA use of mafioso to attempt assassination of Castro (my own take is that CIA attempts to eliminate Castro were so Keystone Cop tier, that they must have been sandbagging it)
  • Corruption in general

Unquestionably, the most dangerous of Costello’s activities was his subtle infiltration of important government institutions through his influence in the city’s Democratic Party.
Raab

The question comes up about Mafia control over the FBI. Raab's arguments fit into my own understanding of Hoover's hands-off approach to organized crime

Hoover’s reluctance to seriously challenge the Mafia stemmed from three main factors, according to former FBI agents and criminal-justice researchers. First was his distaste for long, frustrating investigations that more often than not would end with limited success. Second was his concern that mobsters had the money to corrupt agents and undermine the bureau’s impeccable reputation. And third, Hoover was aware that the Mob’s growing financial and political strength could buy off susceptible congressmen and senators who might trim his budget. Armed with the FBI’s glowing public reputation and with his bureaucratic skills, Hoover had a free hand in choosing his investigative priorities. The only official who challenged his assertion that a dangerous Italian-American crime organization did not exist was rival law-enforcement expert Harry J. Anslinger, the director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.

Evan after Apalachin (the big mob meeting that was broken up by local police, and that exposed the mafia to the nation), Hoover did not pursue the mob fully...

Hoover reluctantly began to attack it. Yet in Hoover’s FBI, statistics, not quality of cases, demonstrated success. “Back then, the FBI still had this nonsense that all cases are equal,” says Dan Reilly, an agent who worked organized crime in New York. “If you caught two hubcap thieves, it was better than catching Bernie Madoff. Also the FBI had a lot of rough, tough ex-military guys. Their theory was that if anybody robs with a fountain pen, they’re kind of a sissy. They liked armored-car robbers, bank robbers, kidnappers. Even within the New York FBI office, in the late 1960s, going after the Mafia was considered junk work.”
Kessler

See: Kessler, R. (2011). The Secrets of the FBI (Reprint edition). Crown Forum.

See: Raab, S. (2014). Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America’s Most Powerful Mafia Empires (Reprint edition). Thomas Dunne Books.

There is the argument that Hoover was blackmailed by the mafia with pictures of crossdressing and proof of homosexuality (the question of Hoover's deep friendship with Tolson). I think that this bullshit propaganda...here is why:

  • The source for this comes from one woman, Susan Rosenstiel,married to a man who was prosecuted by FBI work, and who had a mafia connection, although not mafia himself
  • In depth from The Straight Dope and discussion
  • Beginning in the 1950s, the FBI regularly assigned agents from the Washington field office to discreetly follow Hoover and Tolson as a security precaution. R. Jean Gray, one of the agents assigned to what was called HOOWATCH, says the surveillance consisted of agents in two bureau cars who would tail Hoover and Tolson as they left the Justice Department at the end of the day. While the two knew that agents watched over them, they usually did not spot them. “We followed them to Harvey’s or to the Mayflower, where they had dinner,” Gray says. “Then we took them to Tolson’s apartment on Cathedral Avenue, where Tolson got out. Then we went to Hoover’s home. We stayed overnight. The next morning, agents would follow Hoover as he picked up Tolson and went through Rock Creek Park and down Constitution Avenue to the Justice Department,” Gray says. “We speculated about Edgar and Clyde,” Gray says. “But if anything scandalous had happened with the director, it would have gone coast to coast within the bureau in thirty minutes.”
    Kessler

  • These pictures/evidence never surfaced...Not after Hoover's death...Not after Costello's death (the mobster, not the comedian).
  • I have read several in-depth biographies of Hoover; none point to any evidence of this at all, solely that the rumor itself was spread, and that Hoover and Tolson were close.
  • Kessler's opinion about Hoover's sexuality was that he was prudish, that he was a perfectionist, that he was unduly influenced and that he divided women into "good time girls" and "women you marry", and there really was no one he'd put in that second category

I'll add to this that he was very devoted to his mother up until her death.

Overall, while I'm not an expert on La Cosa Nostra, I think that they are too decentralized and suspicious of each other to form a component of the Deep State. While their gunman, political connections, and tools of corruption have been used in Deep State ops, I don't see them taking any part in forming policy.

There is something going on; Our task is to detail this with as much accuracy and reliability as we can

I can't tell you that MacDonald's interpretation of history was correct, but he did see something!

Over the course of this series, I will be repeating a great deal of material, especially as I expand the timeline.



My Books

Sort:  

In my NOT so humble opinion
you got the facts right
but your conclusion is mistaken
(monkeysphere, Dunbar's Number, The Iron Law, the usual suspects)

Think of it as the invisible hand
of Adam Smith's wealth of nations
gone
BAD.

there IS no grand, global ancient conspiracy.
there are a bunchaton of smaller ones.
sometimes they work toward the same goals
sometimes not.

humble, who me? ;>

lay out for the case for using Dunbar's Number in the egghead section, and I'll add it. I don't see it as of now.

there IS no grand, global ancient conspiracy.
there are a bunchaton of smaller ones.
sometimes they work toward the same goals
sometimes not.

I agree with this, but I'm keeping the post as simple as I can

I've made a number of post about my view on the monkeysphere, dunbar's number, the Iron Law..etc.
Perhaps I'll make more.
if/when I do I'll let you know..

I get the concept in general, but it doesn't fit with my understanding of this situation

obviously, monkeyspheres keep conspiracies/corruption networks small (thus leading to competing corruptocracies)

but I cant seem to work it into what I'm seeing here

no doubt.
once outside the limits posed by dunbars number organizations begin to react in an irrational manner...the larger and older they are the more so.

one can not impose a rational explanation on irrational behavior..

making it easier to be corrupt when you don't know the folk you're betraying, perhaps?

exactly
there is US
(inside the monkeysphere)
there is THEM
(Those outside)
the rules only apply inside
outside there are no rules.

I think my biggest roadblock is putting this concept as the ONLY cause of these problems

Estimated reading time: 9 minutes, 49 seconds. Contains 1965 words

A good start! Lays out the theories and starts knocking down the less credible ones.

This is going to be a work in progress...there is going to be a lot I miss on the first run-through lol

How long? My guess would be from day 1.

There was a break in of the FBI during a Mohamed Ali fight. And, at that time, they found that 90% of what the FBI did was collect dirt on politicians and other important people.

And, I am pretty sure that the strings were already thoroughly attached even before they started talking about creating a Federal End-table of Intimidation.

I'll go into the history of the FBI in the next install of this...I should have done it before I talked mafia ;>

Nah, the only way to get to the bottom of this mess is to jump in and start shovelling.

get out the first round of info, organize thoughts, start digging again (maybe hang a couple of them), repeat

no bottom to the well of human corruption

I always considered the Deep State the line of control going back through the CIA, "The Good Shepard" period. Old money and power families in America, with deep ties to Britain. Allowed them to ally with Nazis so easily after WWII.

The Mafia is made of immigrants at the end of the day, "just visitors" in the words of Matt Damon's character.

IMO, the FBI remained fairly independent through Hoover's control; he did acquiesce to the President, but then again he always made deals with every president as well.

After Hoover died, the FBI was ripe pickings, and the Church Committee put the nail in the coffin

Curated for #informationwar (by @openparadigm)
Relevance:Deepstate Corruption

Ok, lets stop beating around the bush and observe that power doesn't change hand, that is the power to create /print money, and that we can follow without interuption who holds power, and as the fbi has been a creation based on the banking acts, its masters and their loyalty is to the banks, so heed that last meme because real power never changes hands as Immortal Technique raps.

Back up the history to the time of slave owner Washington who made it big by running around yelling I claim this land, toppling liberty poles because they symbolized people's exemption to the tax on alcohol, his first chance to exert the authority granted onto him was this lawlesness and disregard for the limitations of his office, in cahoots with congress and justice, despite by then complete bullshit for a Good Faith Agreement known as the Constitution for the united States and which was evidenced from its inception by secrecy and usurpation, and relying exclusively on barking orders to those it works for and if they dont comply we will hire out an army to suppress your dissent.

What bullet point you want to consider in the above context? Land ownership? Slavery? Genocide? The hidden interests of the bankers manifested through the debts of the revolution? The war of 1812? Civil war? Spanish American? Ww1,2,k,v,ds,countless other mercenary actions in between or leading to that.

The fbi, the dea, the numerous offices created without authority of the constitution and with disregard for the constitution along with outright suppression by force to all who dare vehemently challenge their authority. If they have no argument they have a document that was signed in secret and which you're no party to, but they will claim you their citizen as they claimed the land, and use that document to only make a mockery of what good faith and service means.

What do you expect from these snakes? Where it went wrong? Who is responsible?

Where it went wrong? Who is responsible?

gotta know who to hang.

I dont care if the bankers bribe people; I do care if people take bribes. hang em, and hang the next corrupt batch. keep hangin em until they stop taking bribes.

you can tie in government/anarchy themes if you want, but the simple fact is that there IS government now

Is that right? Care to demonstrate or exemplify this simple fact, if its indeed so simple lets start with when government started, stopped and began again.

Coin Marketplace

STEEM 0.12
TRX 0.34
JST 0.033
BTC 112756.53
ETH 4188.62
USDT 1.00
SBD 0.88