You are viewing a single comment's thread from:

RE: A short analysis of Elizabeth Warren's education plan for free college, Sander's plan is similar but smaller!

in #informationwar5 years ago

its strange to hear that europe limits free speech from a country that sentences journalistic methods like used by assage with 175 years prison time... its dangerous to be a whistleblower there...
check the freedom of press index. A lot of european countries rank first and Germany 13th...
i can say whatever i want anywhere in europe... germany might give issues since it is illegal to deny the holocaust (for obvious historic reasons), and an employer can fire you if they dont align with you politically... but otherwise you are free to say what u want... in UK u might get your career ruined if you say anything against israel, but the same problem is in the US, and UK is soon outside europe...

UN is not equal. its a fighting ground between the 5 "winner" nations, hence UN is unable to make decisions and becomes useless...

Europe has much more business there, as we are connected by land to the countries US is waging wars at. Europe is not oil hungry, gets a steady supply from russia and aims to be carbon neutral by 2050, yet we get all refugees from US their wars. peace is in Europes interest, not the US interest. still US forces european companies to participate in the Iran sanctions, and uses nato to force european countries to participate in the illegal bombing of syria. compared to russia, US hunger for war has become a much greater threat to the peace on our continent.

and US is not providing weapons to elected government, but terrorists and cruel dictators (yemen and FSA terrorists in syria)... provide weapons to countries attacking other nations (saudi, turkey and israel attacking syria and yemen)... US funds the war against russian separists, despite the electrion from the ukrainian peace agreement minsk2 turning out in favor of them wanting to join russia.

Sort:  

I don't like what they did to him, but he published classified materials. We have had liberals in charge for too long, so they are ignoring our Constitution, and need some retraining by way of prison. Working on that right now, then we can get him out by pardon.

You can be arrested in Germany for voicing an opinion against Islam. Give them time to affect your government, and they will erase the Holocaust too....
The firing over Politics is disturbing, since it has no effect on job performance.

The UN is not functional, and is expensive for no results. All the UN seems to do is censure Israel for being hit by Hamas rockets....

NO ONE has business there, unless they are Living there. Proximity gives no special rights, and the ability to drive there does not mean you have the right to run their affairs. The USA is exporting oil, so I can NOT understand why they keep messing over there! You guys are the oil hungry bunch....

NATO is the reason you are not speaking Russian, I am just tired of carrying the load. Europe has recovered, and Russia has been dismembered; so you guys should be able to handle your own problems. I do NOT understand why anyone would buy from those who want you dead. You buy from Russia, we buy from China; both ideas are insane!

The providing weapons to elected governments is on MY want list. I also want us out of the Middle East, with the exception of assisting Israel, IF WE had not limited them in wars they have fought; there wouldn't be as many neighboring countries, and Israel would be a lot larger.

:'(

they dont accuse him of publishing classified data, as some big news pages did publish it aswell... if they did they would have to imprison them reporters which would look really bad on freedom of press...

you can voice your opinion against islam in germany, but you cannot do hate speech against any group of people asking for violence to be done against them (due to obvious historic reasons with the jews)... also the dignity of the human is protected by german constitution, so even insulting someone over the internet can have legal repercussion. insults are not contributing to a constructive free exchange of opinion, so i would not see that as a limitation of freedom of speech.

also they are not erasing the holocaust, as it is even illegal to deny the existance of the holocaust. you cannot downplay the holocaust either.

I agree current european troops need to pull out since they are not in line with local governments or public opinion in syria... also the afghanistan seems pretty useless as currently they are only doing their best in keeping their military base alife while unable to make a change... i can support the mali mission but i dont support that they bribe the government to keep refugees from escaping... but i admire how russia resolves the turkey syria (being allied to both) conflict, and i wouldnt mind if europe was there under consent and collaboration of the local government and russia to establish peace in syria (almost how anti-rape laws are not against sex them self). thats my opinion about european military intervention. US has a history of funding local terrorists and destabilizing countries, including in syria and afghanistan (taliban and isis are US creation), thats the difference here.

so u are also against the annexation of westbank and syrian golan heights and further expansion of israel, as it is currently planned by netanyahu and ganz? i would hope that who ever the next president is, he/she will use the military aid as pressure to make israel treat palestinians with dignity. gaza as it is now is just a prison without propper access to jobs or water.

They are practicing selective enforcement of law, that is not acceptable. The US is working on holding them accountable for crimes committed with classified leaks. Hopefully they will prosecute some high level criminals, soon.

Hate speech is a fluid definition that varies enough that you can NOT express discontent with islam. All they need do is fudge their understanding of what you say, and you go to prison. Insults are accurate truth to some, and insults to others; again a fluid definition. Here you are able to "insult" someone, as long as it is the truth. I have had positive transfer of information while being insulted, or when I am insulting. People are too thin skinned these days.

As soon as they get enough percentage to force sharia law upon you, they will begin to erase the Holocaust, because their hate is that great.

ALL troops need to be out! How can they work out their problem any other way? I am stunned that you think it is possible to treat with the Russians, since they say publically that agreements are a tool to gain advantage, and then be ignored. Oh by the way, they still hate Germany; that has not changed!

You would NOT like me in charge in the Golan etc. Israel entered an agreement with the palistinans, who swore that Israel would be safe from attacks from the Golan. They immediately violated that agreement, and now there are daily rocket attacks. I would move them out, and bulldoze the entire Golan. This problem is our fault, we reigned in the Israelies when they had routed their attackers. IF we had Not intervened, they would have taken Syria and friends....

The palistinians are there because no Arab country would give them a place to stay. They are the rejects, and Palestine was the only place no Arab wanted. When Israel was formed, all of a sudden they were "palestinians" instead of rejects. It is telling to note that the Arab nations STILL offer no place for these people!

:)>

for the example of edward snowden, he never published anything. He only informed a selected few journalists about what is going on and gave them evidence, and then fled the country. yet he fears for his life when going back.

id prefer a civil conversation without insults. many conservative on steem i argued with often immediately reply with "fuck you" without stating their arguement. our discussion here is quite civil i believe. no insults. critizising ones religion is not attacking an individuals dignity, hence is legal. critizising a religion is also not saying you want violence to happen to that religion, so its not hate speech either. they might get annoyed though, since u do seem to have a very bad perspective on islam, not based on what islam truely is, but from what you see on the media from people who call them self muslim. Just because the LRA claims to be christian, does not mean all christians are terrorists. many non context quotes that are used against islam are also in the bible.

You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
--Deuteronomy 19:19-21

only a small minority of muslims want sharia law... look at democratic muslim countries... there is a small minority asking for sharia law, but usually they fail against an annoyed facepalming majority... democracy is in our constitution... under no circumstance we can allow another holocaust, which is why im so annoyed at my country for ignoring chinese concentration camps for trade benefits...

solving problems in countries better than what NATO does is easy: simply dont fund and support terrorists and destabilize the country, just because you dont like assad. Russia is ally to turkey and syria, and their peace is important to them. Russia is also helping train the army of the central african republic to surpress violence. mali would have been taken over by the african isis if it was not for foreign troops being there. its not because people want it, its just isis taking advantage of very misserable situations in the sub sahara region where food and water security is not there. also globaly germans are not as hated anymore as americans are now for their wars of destabilization in many countries.

there are no palestinians in golan. golan is part of syria that was conquered in the 6 day war. it has been occupied territory since decades and israel plans to annex it. remember annexation is a very strong international crime, and reason currently russia is under sanctions. if you were talking about west jordan, how would u justify them being treated everyday without dignity without the freedom of movement in their country. thats not according to the treaty is it. and i did mention that any activity of hamas is met with a disproportionate higher response from israel. The bible said a life for a life not many lifes for a life, so you cannot possibly agree to that.

Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury.
--Leviticus 24:19-20

Why would Palestinians need to ask for another Arab country for a place to stay, when they have land to stay already. Who gives Israel the right to take away the land underneath their feet? There are already an overwhelming amount of Palestinians refugee in countries like Jordan, and refugees have no freedom of return to their land either.

Honest journalists are protected in our Constitution. We are fighting to restore the rule of Law; too much liberal politics here, has caused significant damage.

Most interactions with liberals on steemit consist of flagging with no comment to censor posts, or vile and disgusting responses that often don't have anything to do with the initial posting.

Sadly violence against infidels is part of their 'holy' book. They are required, by their political system; that they Call a 'religion'...to decapitate us! Here in Oklahoma, we passed a Law that stated that no external source of law could be used to make law here. The only source MUST be the US Constitution. Listed along with International law sources was sharia law. When it was added to the ballot, local muslims said there was never an intent to use sharia law here, so it was unnecessary. When it passed by 75% of the vote, they filed a discrimination lawsuit the next day because it listed sharia along with other sources. It will be overturned at significant expense!

Here we setup a Constitutional Republic that avoids mob rule, and provides rights to individuals against the government.

Leave all countries to their own control. Much easier that way....

Taking land in war seems to only be a crime, if it is Israel. If it were me, and I had allowed settler back in the golan on promise of security; and they lied and began attacking, I would throw them out. They deliberately lied, and used the position gained to attack Israel.

As far as response, why is no one worried about those under rocket attack? Is Israel supposed to count their dead, then get random people of the exact same number, and kill them. I actually agree with defensive fire; they do not originate the killing, they are simply moving to stop it. All that is needed to stop the violence, is to stop firing on Israel, as they agreed to do before moving into the golan. The treaty was they could live there as long as they protected Israel's security from the golan.

There is no such thing as a nation of palestinians. These people were ejected from all the other Arab nations as undesirables. The went to land that was equally undesirable, because they had nowhere else to go. They are still unwanted....

When Israel was formed, they offered to share the land with these ejected people living there, and were turned down flat! That was the best deal they were offered in the last century!

As far as "their" land; that is NOT how it reads in my Bible! In point of fact, that country name is not there either....

assage was an honest reporter, and he is not protected. snowden did not even report. there is no legal safe way of whistle blowing in USA

i see a few liberal flaggers but ive been heavily flagged by conservatives before. some of my articles are greyed out cuz of powerfull conservative flaggers that did not like my articles. some accounts such as @mitrado have given up on steem due to conservative voters...

violence against infidels is not part of the holybook, infact those who are not believers like christians jews and muslims are protected by the book saying they should not be mistreated for it, or else these people will end up rather resenting god than actually follow god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism
here is the wikipedia article for muslim arritutes towards terrorism
"A number of surveys over the years have found that majorities of Muslims oppose attacks against civilians"
also most muslims will tell you sharia is bad.

the constitution cannot be possibly the only source of law, as many things the founding fathers did not for see, such as the abolishment of slavery or that women get to vote. the constitution is also changed over time.

israel does not need to count their dead to see their attacks are excessive... israel has the iron dome, that protects them from missiles, and more missiles to begin with... most hamas missiles dont even make it to israeli ground... still everytime israel goes all out on palestine. and what about them trying to live their life in normality? also its not the palestinian people are mostly against hamas, and are innocent victims of israeli cluster bombing of civilian housing. the bible does not say if ur neighbor shits in ur lawn you may have diarrhea all over town. no you may only shit back on that specific neighbors lawn.

and name me an example where annexation is not considered a crime. you are falsely painting israel a victim. its only when israel annexes, that the west is not tripping balls. golan is more about the oil not the "security". if you could do illegal stuff for "security" reasons why not give nukes to iran, since israel has (also illegaly) nukes and they need to defend them self. the same reason no one trips balls when pakistan got nukes, because they were afraid about indias nukes.

palestine was a thing when the ottoman empire was broken up and colonized by the brittish and other european countries. syria for example was french colony, after the ottoman empire. the people of palestine was a thing, and they were promised their freedom in exchange for them fighting for their brittish in the world wars. basically israel is the 3rd in a row opprossive regime under which palestinians are forced to live.

it was the brittish that screwed them over and said "argh nevermind the land we promised lets give it to the zionists". the promised land was promised to palestinians

also muslims are according to the quran "children of israel"... not only that but also the arabs are more closer related to jews from back then genetically... the only place where they even still speak the language jesus (one of the jews from back then) spoke is in syria... they are basically the true ancestors of the jewish from back then... the jewish coming from germany were mostly converted and just because of their religion does not mean that they own the land... also jesus and the jews back then were brown...

its like saying if anyone converted to the religion (because maybe it becomes a popular religion) of the native americans, they can migrate as native americans back into USA and get citizenship, because with their religion they proof ancestry.

Muslim attitudes toward terrorism
There is a wide range of Muslim attitudes toward terrorism. A number of surveys over the years have found that majorities of Muslims oppose attacks against civilians, and some have found greater support in specific countries and situations.

I agreed with you on these honest Journalists several times now. I have also told you that we are working on returning to the rule of Law here, hoping that force of arms is not the only route.

As far as the conservative "flagger" you list, his voting reputation is a (-5), so I don't see how he could do you any damage, and has been effectively silenced, undoubtedly by liberals.

I have seen the continued violence that is NOT opposed by the rank and file muslims, not even vocally! Because in islam, those in opposition are killed First, before the Jews and Infidels. This is the only "Religion" (really a political system) that preaches convert or die! Violence is the core of islam, and to prove me wrong, all they need do is denounce those doing violence, as you claim they are supposed to do!

I have heard the Iron Dome argument before. Just because they were forced to build a system to protect themselves; to compensate for a treaty violation by those in gaza, does not make them the aggressor! the rejects you call palestinians have the option of building the same system, but they will NOT because it is defensive, and they have no interest in defence!

EVERY nation in Europe, as well as here, was taken by use of force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_annexed_by_Nazi_Germany

Everything "annexed" by the Nazis Before Poland was considered legal....

As far a the golan being about oil, do you believe that they worry about oil more than daily rocket attacks? Oil can be purchased, Death is permanent!

Palestine is a PLACE, not a people. There were a lot of crimes done in the name of politics, promises done and ignored. That does not magically make a bunch of rejects from all over the Middle East into a 'worshipped' people misnamed "palistianians"...into a country! No Arab Country wants them, even now; they are still just rejects.

So there is anti Semitism there, SMH. The muslims Are the sons of Israel, so that gives them some special right to kill their Brothers, and refuse to live with them in peace!

No conversion does not directly affect ancestry, but you can also ask your treasured palestinians where their people were thrown out from, and get a lot of interesting answers! It is like a squatter claiming a house because he has lived there, then attacking and killing the owner when they return.

Lastly, the Constitution is a framework which has procedures in place to allow changes as needed, BUT those changes must remain within this framework. It is a document that is designed to Limit our federal government, not our Citizens. THIS is what these liberal scum vermin have violated by attacking the two journalists you mentioned, they attacked the Constitution! Treason takes many forms....

Areas annexed by Nazi Germany
There were many areas annexed by Nazi Germany both immediately before and throughout the course of World War II.

i listed a victim of a conservative flagger.... mitrado is quite liberal in his view point. he could not post anymore because of that flagger

the silent majority opposes the violence. similar to most issues, where the sane side is most of the times the silent majority. u do see usually after attacks imams talk out against it saying this is not islam... and let me remind you christianity used to be much stricter on "convert or die"... i can give you a christian example to many things.

let me remind you since when annexation has become illegal: it was as a result from the second world war to stop wars. didnt stop them from annexing half of german territory right before making it illegal. ur second world war example hence does not hold as an example of an illegal annexation.

and yes i believe they care more about oil than about rocket attacks. look at gazas fishing areas, which just so happen to be decreased and restricted as soon as israel found oil there, not caring for the turmoil they cause by taking their fishing areas.

the people of palestine, are people, who live at the place. and now palestine has country recognition from most UN countries.

its not like no country would take them in as refugees, there are just too many of them to be displaced from their own land. its an entire country being displaced because of the sympathy towards the people displaced from germany, while these same people could have gone anywhere and be recieved with open arms like USA or USSR.

about the iron dome. please see the argument. its not cool to shit in everyones lawn just because ur neighbor shat in your lawn, and do a collective punishment northkorea style.

anti-semitism was introduced from the west. religios discrimination wasnt even a concept before western colonialism and wars. look at pakistan and india for example, they learned from the brittish to discriminate against muslims, and relocated the muslims to pakistan causing conflicts until even today.

native americans are then by your standard squatters. native americans also never had legal right to ground because there was no legal entitiy. yet you argue that the german jews are the true natives there which seems out of this world.

I dont understand how you can be against military intervention, while at the same time against the people of honduras, el salvador and guatemala seeking refuge in the USA?


they are seeking refuge because USA's brutal intervention during the cold war... dont you not feel guilt or indebted to them? germany has a strong sense of guilt for all the refugees that had to flee during the second world war, so germany takes in currently 200 000 - 700 000 refugees in per year (we manage quite well despite what fear mongering trump says) while US despite its greater size and population less than 20 000. because of the second world wars jews that fled to america, america signed the geneva convention to not allow refugees to be sent back to conflict zones, despite americas great resentment of that time towards the jews. isnt america not honering the geneva convention also a slap to the face towards the jews that fled during the second world war?

daughter of holocaust survivor talking about american guatemalan military genocide of mayans

Interesting distortions, the problems in South America are due to socialism that has moved, as it inevitably must; to communism.

The influx that we need to stop, is not legal immigration in the 20,000 range, but invasion against our Laws in the 10 to 20 Million range! How would you people do with even half that number?

These people cross half a dozen countries to come here, they are supposed to seek asylum in the first Country they come to! By the time they cross into the second country, they are no longer at risk, so WHY should we take them in outside normal immigration channels?

I GET it, you hate this country, and live in utopia. Okay fine, be blessed, and you better pray (if you do that) that you are right about the islamic influx you are experiencing! Because if they Are violent, you are done as a country.

Good luck!

:)>

funding terrorism because of the phobia towards communism is why there is taliban in afghanistan, and why there are gang violence in guatemala. yet even today US has not learned from its funding of terrorists.


at the border of california, there used to be 100 per day that were allowed to cross now only 20. hence the number of refugees there accumilated to around 11000. far from millions or the 200 000 germany takes in. even if US takes in 1 million , its with its increased size and population comparable to what germany takes in. if little germany manages 200 000 why US can only handle 20 000 of refugees that were caused by its own military intervention?

sure lets call argue against immigration be redefining all forms over 20 000 to be illegal. but as long as there is no legal way to enter US, then dont be surprised that some go in illegally. that just shows ur legal immigration system fails. trump is actively closing legal immigration channels. what if more than 20 000 are in need for protection? are they not elligible for protection just because they are more of them? if such a huge region is unsafe, it would be suspicious if there were only a few coming wouldnt it?

ofcourse they cross a bunch of countries to reach US, but thats because which of these countries is not affected by gang violence. iraq or afghanistan is safer than these countries atm. things have gotten especially worse on routes for cocain trade, which basically means all of central america. US is currently biggest cocain consumer, which is produced in the andes mountains.

I have nothing against the "islamic influx". i quite like the diversity we are recieving. and US is just strange to me on many levels with many poor decisions, which is why we argue.

Coin Marketplace

STEEM 0.20
TRX 0.14
JST 0.029
BTC 68011.48
ETH 3275.77
USDT 1.00
SBD 2.64