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RE: What if cheeseburgers were like healthcare?

in #informationwar6 years ago

15$ wage would only compare to a 15$ voucher if the burger flipper only sells one burger per hour.

Quite unlikely.

And putting that aside, everyone knows (at least everyone who has had a glance at the science) that vouchers are about he worst option for welfare you can get (while cash is best).

It is mostly promoted by "Republicans" who either want the program to fail or who have such a mistrusting world view, the poor sods, that they think everyone on welfare is going to buy booze instead of bread.

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15$ wage would only compare to a 15$ voucher if the burger flipper only sells one burger per hour.

The photo was there primarily as a joke. Did you read the article? Those were protestors protesting to increase the burger voucher to $15.

Anyhow, we could apply this to labor because the minimum wage is another form of price floor. But of course how many burgers the flipper puts out per hour is totally irrelevant to their wage, that's a problem the minimum wage creates, some people's labor doesn't generate $15 an hour so in that case they don't raise the wage to $15 an hour, they eliminate the job. Do you know what percent of Americans actually make minimum wage?

What happens to someone who was making $15 an hour already? say the minimum wage was $10 and they raise it to $15, then that person is making minimum wage and has all the buying power of a minimum wage worker when before they were making 50% more than minimum wage and had 50% more buying power than minimum wage right?

And putting that aside, everyone knows (at least everyone who has had a glance at the science) that vouchers are about he worst option for welfare you can get (while cash is best).

The worst option for whom? Perhaps for taxpayers, which option is the best for the burger industry? Do you think politicians have had a glance at science? Are the lobbyists for the burger industry concerned with "science"?

It is mostly promoted by "Republicans" who either want the program to fail or who have such a mistrusting world view, the poor sods, that they think everyone on welfare is going to buy booze instead of bread.

There are those who do just that though aren't there? They had cash benefits in my state and they were often redeemed at strip clubs, bars, smoke shops and liquor stores. Gosh, how could people betray the public's trust like that? We should have trusted welfare recipients, wasn't being mistrusting of them foolish?

Anyhow can you disprove any part of my actual burger theory?

right?

Wrong because, you know, like the prices everything else adjusts.

There are those who do just that though aren't there?

Of course. There are also murderer. And multi-millionaires "evading" taxes.

But if you "trust" welfare recievers or not, cash is the most effective way.
And trusting them - and I mean realy trusting them, not just saying it and let them hang in the air - results in more of the behavior you trust in. Basic human motivation thingy.

if you give people a chance, even if 90% fai, you still have 10% more sucessful than without that chance.

Anyhow can you disprove any part of my actual burger theory?

Yes, the moment I said nobody is going to subsidize with 5 times the amount it actually costs now.

Wrong because, you know, like the prices everything else adjusts.

I'm confused, you say "wrong" but that was my point exactly. The minimum wage worker who went from $10 to $15 an hour still has the same buying power of minimum wage but now all the people who were making $15 an hour and continue to make that much all have the buying power of minimum wage. Think for a minute, what would happen to your lifestyle and buying power if the minimum wage was set at what you make now?

You are not suggesting that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour would somehow cause those making $15 already to get raises right? Because that's not how it works, the people making $15 keep making $15. What "adjusts" as a result is the value of a dollar, it becomes less for everyone.

They tried trusting them, then newspapers investigated and found out how widespread the resulting abuse was. Here is a hint: responsible people are not on welfare. It's not a program for responsible people. Basic human motivation thingy and welfare works like this:
If I can make $450 a week on welfare but only $400 a week working then I will never ever get a job, take the $450 away and that $400 looks pretty good.

Yes, the moment I said nobody is going to subsidize with 5 times the amount it actually costs now.

Right but then I gave an example of how we pay 50 to 100 times as much for acetaminophen as a result of subsidies.
Here is another, university in your country is free for all right? Here in America we have special government loans and vouchers and private university costs $35,000 a year on average. What do you think the actual cost to provide a year of university education is?

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