RE: Trump : Take over of Venezuela
You are extrapolating my own statements and I'm not talking from any sides. I'm being objective in all the things I'm saying here.
I think you are expecting too much from the world.
On the contrary, I'm not expecting anything from any other country that's why I'm not asking for an intervention.
So should America have not gone through the civil war?
You took my statement out of context, You clearly said that after the civil war everything was beautiful - that was your justification to have an intervention here - I told you that African-Americans suffered a lot for almost a 160 years, they were neglected and they were not considered Americans until the 60s. I never said that African Americans conditions were as bad as in the past. On the contrary I recognized that their living condition is so much better now. So, stop extrapolating my arguments and taking them out of context.
Should it not be celebrated that RELATIVELY, they live a much better life now, compared to blacks in the past?
Objectively they are living better. But this has nothing to do with what I told you.
In the case of US, they freed themselves from British colony because they were ABLE to do so, and they have succeeded, clearly unlike the Venezuela situation
Do you even know who freed the whole American continent? A Venezuelan called Simón Bolivar.
So I really wanna ask you if you really know what is going on in Venezuela? What have you heard, see or read of it? Do you really believe everything that the International Media says about Venezuela?
Let me tell you something last year during the strikes every day there was more than 230 news about Venezuela around the globe. In today's Nicaragua's strikes there's not even cover up and In Nicaragua, there have been more violations of the human rights, more people died, but why is that anybody is saying anything of that? Why is it that in the Arab Spring they only managed to overthrown Chiies presidents while they never made it to the monarchies? Do you even ask yourself those questions? What's the difference between a dictatorship and a Monarch?
Why is it that we have the problem that we have this problem here in Venezuela? Do you really believe that the problem is the Government?
I'm gonna be honest with you, and you can go down in posts I have plenty of writings talking about Venezuela's problems if you want to dig deeper into them.
The main problem here is the people's mind, culture, thoughts that are based on unethics and unmoral beliefs that's the real problem. It's not the government it's the people who elected the government, therefore it is the people who wanted misery then let them eat misery. That's what democracy is all about right? People should take ownership of their own future and if they fail let them fail so that they learn. This crisis has been cooked since the 60s, this is something that was going to happen emidiatly, Chavez was the outcome of 40 years of deception by goverments who never managed to do anything just mediocrity and corruption.
Wouldn't you also agree that every single situation, be it middle east, Asia, or Latin America, is the situation of its own, and should not be compared to one another
I do not agree on this, foreign interventions in wherever you do them, end up failing for the country and they end up in civil wars, mass murders, violations of the human rights. Once again, watch the videos.
Then, how is it fair to judge that future foreign interventions will be a failure too?
Based on plenty of empirical evidence on what has interventions done in other countries maybe?
I think you are involving too much personal feelings
I'm not, hahaha even if I'm Venezuelan and I do not support the government that does not necessarily mean that I have to support a foreign intervention based on the current situation. History repeated itself. I think you haven't read as much history to talk about this issue so freely.
I hope you try not to bring emotions into discussions, as they may cloud your rational judgment.
Where was I emotional my arguments? I'm basing all my statements on facts and empirical evidence. On the contrary, you are advocating for something that has never succeeded, you want to cling to the idea that everything is going to be solved in a utopian way when you live in a world where dystopias have been more accurate than utopian ideologies.
Sorry if I have extrapolated your comments, and took some of what you said out of context, as I am sure someone as educated as you will understand that I did not do it on purpose, and that even you do it sometimes as well.
With that being said, I would just like to comment that I have never said, or feel that everything after the war is beautiful, nor do I advocate civil war... What I advocate is neither foreign intervention nor civil wars, but rather the thought that perhaps a change in the approach of the current situation might bring about a positive change.
While there are a lot of differences in our opinions, I hope we can all agree to disagree on our differing opinions. Also, at the end of the day, I do agree that in democracy, people selects its government, and as you said, if Venezuelans want to eat misery, they should be free to do so.
On the subject of media, I try to read from as large a variety of sources as possible, as I realise that the media, just like the both of us, often believe in different ideals and often seem to include their agenda to try and influence the readers. And yes, while I get most of my news source about Venezuela from international news outlets, how can you be 100% sure that what you read is all facts, and that your views are entirely based on facts and evidence? Where do you get your new source?
Once again I thank you for your recommendations, but I would like to ask what are your suggestions then, with all the fake news out there ? You seem quite confident about the facts and information you have, is there a particular news outlet you follow or are there alternative media that you would recommend?
Also, from what I have inferred, do you think that Venezuela will solve its problem best by leaving them to solve and fix their problems as they be? @blackliberal
I totally agree with you that everyone must find a solution for Venezuela's crisis, nonetheless, I would not support a foreign intervention due to the arguments that I already established. I know it is in your bests interest for the world to be a good place, and we both agree on that.
Well thinking critically and to question everything, I personally do not like any media even if they are left wing or right wing. I believe journalism today is submitted to ones owns opinions, therefore, I do deep research on everything.
As an advice you can try to read independent media - ofc they have own agenda - but it's not like they have something to get profit from saying the things they say. Or just simply dig deeper into why the things are becoming the way it is. Because there's always a deep factor that media do not cover like the one I told you about Venezuelans worldview that the media and the politicians do not cover.
What International communities have done already is enough. They have blocked the Venezuelan government assets in other countries, which is awesome.
I believe this crisis will finish in a decade, I'm still here and I'm planning to leave due to the fact that it is already impossible for me to remain here.
When I say decade I'm referring to the fact that it would be possible that from here we could have a coup d'état by the Venezuelan army. And things might change then, but we don't know if for the good or the bad. I believe things will actually change when my generation already grew up and mature comes back and builds up the country with real values and morals.