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RE: Priming an audience: Information Finding Championship - Season 1 : Round 22 entry MUSIC

I generally agree with your ideas here and I think you have a great way with words and putting these kinds of things into mental pictures.

I'm much more pessimistic about this. I would suggest that even if that was possible, a new "power centre" would develop.

I suppose that's possible, but this would almost imply this is our human nature. Which is possible.. But.. I'd like to believe we're not limited or confined to this and that there is a better way. I think perhaps in time if enough people learn to truly learn deep spiritual concepts like the "golden rule" then.. No one would ever on purpose try to infringe on others again, that would leave mostly just accidents and people accidentally hurting each other.. But.. I think if everyone truly learned the golden rule, there would be no desire to rule over each other.

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I think it is the nature of a large group of individuals (humans and otherwise). I do remember reading a paper about the optimum balance of selfish and altruistic members of a society (animal). It turns out that a balance of the two is required for a stable society.

Completely selfish is destructive, but completely altruistic should also be unstable. A small mutation to have a slightly more selfish trait would in a few generations completely dominate.

I forget the balance though, just that the point of stability was somewhere in between. Admittedly, it is a simplistic model, but I think the idea that a completely altruistic society is unfortunatly not as stable a community as we would hope to believe it would be.

Completely selfish is destructive, but completely altruistic should also be unstable.

I need to see more data about how altruism is harmful in society before I can comment. I just don't even know how to interpret that without more information.

I would be curious if you could bring me more information about this, cause I'd like to see how selfishness is a good thing and too much altruism is bad. I'm genuinely curious too, not being sarcastic. Please lemme know if you can go into more detail on that.

Oof, that paper I read was such a long time ago. I have searched around for it, but I haven't found it yet.

Anyway, Im not sure I was totally clear in my comment. I (the paper) wasn't making a point on the morality or anything about selfish vs altruism. It was only making a point about the stability of the systems that contained both traits.

The completely selfish system was unstable as it led to self destruction.

The completely altruistic was also unstable, as the merest introduction of a selfish trait (via mutation or otherwise) led to it gaining rapid dominance (as it harnessed more resources selfishly) over multiple generations.

The finding was that a mix of the two traits was needed to provide stability to a system over many generations.

The research and conclusion was about system stability, not about what was better.

I will continue looking, my memory is hazy on how I came across it originally...

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