I admit it, I was wrong! The Trending Page Does Suck and it is YOUR Fault.
The voting bots are being abused and nobody is watching. It doesn't take many people to flag and comment to break the cycle of bad behavior.
I don't care that you don't earn on downvotes. Tell that to any business person and they will laugh in your face.
In restaurants, hotels and anywhere else, owners and stakeholder use their funds to keep the place clean.
Put some eyes on the site and use your stake to clean this up! Or don't.
The solutions are already around, and have been reasoned out many times if anyone bothers reading and considering. Tragedy of the commons. This place is seriously becoming depressing.
Yeah, it is but, there are still people trying and struggling to at least create something worth reading here but, who really gives a crap?
When the rewards algo doesn’t give a crap about rewarding those who give a crap as much as those who don’t give a crap..
It gets to a point where those who give a crap, have no crap left to give.
It gets to a point
Where those who give a crap, have
No crap left to give.
- tarazkp
I'm a bot. I detect haiku.
i love you @haikubot
^^or looking at
On second thought, maybe you were being sarcastic.. anyway, steem is the best!
You mean your plot to return all the rewards to the same 10 authors who created the situation we currently have. Evil smile. Just teasing.
Nothing can be worse than what we currently have haha.. what’s the inflation for?
Actually, yes it was worse when the Selected few were the ONLY thing that could get to trending. There wasn't a single thing anyone could do to gain attention.
Now at least some good things get up there, If people would flag garbage and the bot owners would remove their votes it would be fine.
Your OWN post asking for change admitted you want to earn more money for doing nothing. That isn't how most investment works. Passive investments are usually either Interest or growth of the company.
Not getting paid every day to watch your stake grow. ;)
Your ideas sound great to those who didn't watch it happen. In theory they make a lot of sense. In reality, the autovoters will just get pointed to those who earn a lot and we will be right back to where we started. We already know how much you curate and engage. We need stakeholders who are active and curate.
You completely assessed and reasoned out everything in your writing wrongly, in my opinion. It's the tragedy of the commons and abuse is being widely distributed and the easiest path is to sell or trade votes, so good luck getting people to flag, especially having it as a sustained activity.
My activity on Steem has fallen off the cliff ever since I realised the problem. But still, my "doing of nothing" is only voting for myself at 1%-2%, which grew to about 5%-10% recently. Account curation is certainly way better than just pumping out posts and self-votes all the time for the sake of it. I could just call it a day and make life much easier by just selling off the votes. But those would just be going to more abuse.
Yeah tell that to the vote traders and all. How about risk-free vote trading ventures? I've been holding out for the past year and just about to go reclaiming 100% of my votes, but I'm not doing it. If I do it with the rest then I'm using my allocated slice of the inflation 100% on myself and many would go this route as time goes on. Which is why I'm proposing 50% because I think that's the best the network will be able to achieve. Can't expect 100% of inflation going entirely to "good use". Now it's less than 25%.
You just seem beyond comprehending the current predicament and that the previous situation was based on quadratic rewards, without any of the elements in the proposal I've put forth like extra downvotes, rewards curve between linear and quadratic, and 50% curation rewards. There'll be side effects of course, but the point is not to leave those that curate and engage in the dust.
Sure I agree we need more stakeholders who are active and curate, but more specifically those that can also fund those who do. Still, this activity is currently much less profitable than just trading it or using it all on oneself, so I'm not sure if we should trick more folks into actively curating under the circumstance, hence the proposal to put things in the middle-ground. The point again is not to leave those that curate and engage in the dust. Steem's current economy is fundamentally not making this possible and is giving people $1000 everytime they take a shit in public.
I got nothing against whatever people are doing. The incentives are just not aligned between profit maximisation and the good of the platform atm.
To re-route the debt (investment of the herds) into the pockets of... fill in the gaps...
Steem .. umm... on... !?
@whatsup,
The whole STEEM world is depend on the game of curation! More you make, more you gain! (I mean curation :P)
Cheers~
The Church of Piglet understands but does not share your anger, as that is just not on, what with us being a church and all.
We did do our little bit today during our Trend Watching session, and only got one threat so far for a retaliatory flag.
We do understand that the small fish may be afraid of getting whopping great big flags in return when they flag, but strangely, the ones with the largest stakes and the most to lose when Steemit fails are suspiciously absent when it comes to flagging. Maybe the delegation game is too profitable to care about content and Steemit image anymore.
Anyway, we will resteem this, because we care too and because we applaud this kind of posting. Some things can't be said often enough, even when nobody listens.
Let's discuss this 6 months later, after bots take over the place, everything is automated and steem worth under 0.1 :)
If nobody cleans this is what we get.
A user-free, automated Steemit! I wrote a proposal for that once, maybe they didn't get I was being sarcastic.
Kisses!
Problem is that I don't even bother to look at the trending page. Why would anyone look at it? I've tried to make it a point to go there and flag a few things occasionally though.
I water the flowers and ignore the weeds.
There is another effect of having bots tipping the scales for one post over another. That is, it gives a false impression of what is popular and that makes marketing oneself to the communities here much harder without having an accurate picture of what "sells" on this site (not that I really concern myself with that on my own blog). I think it leads new users to believe that all they have to do is post crappy pictures to be sucessful here because they may not be aware of the bot issue. When that sucess doesn't come they get fed up and leave.
I don't know what the answer is. I know that a lot of people say that they don't look at trending and that is fine on a personal level (I fall into that group too) but trending is still the face that we present to the world and that is an issue we can't address by turning away from it.
As for myself, my account is pretty tiny in terms of SP so I don't know how much change I can effect. I have helped flag down some people for stealing content but generally my goal is to grow my account to the point that I can make a real difference. I just powered up everything I had and to over 100 SP which isn't much but it is a start.
I do hope things can be worked out. I like this site despite it's issues and I like a lot of the people here. I want to see us all do well if we are willing to work for it and I would like to see steemit really take off.
I can only speak for myself, but it is a mood. We need more eyes on the site and we will get them.
I hear you on the popular thing, which is why I feel like if they knew someone was watching and flagging it would happen less often
I can't prove it though.
This is an honest question as I don't know all the ins and outs of flagging. Is the risk/reward ratio too high for small accounts on steemit to flag someone? Chances are if someone is abusing bots on the trending page they likely have a lot of influence on the platform. So if a small account flags them to only get a flag in return from the user as "payback" wouldn't it have a much more negative effect on the small user? I'm assuming the weight of a flag is equivalent to the accounts SP.
I get the point and appreciate the question.
It depends, many of these accounts don't have much steem power and they are just abusing the bots. Most but not all of them are pretty safe to flag if you don't make a big drama over it.
However, for those who don't wish to risk it. Flag some one your own size that is spamming or creating low value material. I get the risk...
Isn't not doing the right thing out of fear.. The same as doing the wrong thing? Both are dishonest and greedy in my opinion. Each person has to ask themselves.
It's starting to get crazy. All the plagiarism and shitposts Gonna have to clean up the place.