Confusing arguments from the contrarian minority on the "Big Freeze".

in OCD4 years ago (edited)

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see, he likes it.

Been looking at the talks these last few days after the soft fork. The reactions are almost all positive across the board. There are a few people who disagree ofc whose opinions you could call "legitimate" and then there are the "usual suspects" (the morons) that counter this change just to spite witnesses because apparently their grudges are more important then the security of the chain. (thats not how you get off blacklists)

If i havent made myself clear on this, im completely for this change and i think this change should be permanent.
Steemit.inc stake should NEVER be unfrozen.

Now that he is aware of what can happen he will be ready for it. The second the witnesses reverse the soft fork is the second Justin will start protecting his investment.
He needs to accept that Steemit.inc stake will never be used to affect community consensus.

  1. Justin openly shown hostility towards the chain with his "token Swap" announcement that would essentially dismantle the chain in the end or force a hardfork where his chain becomes "the real Steem.
  2. Its his problem he didnt do his research on what he was buying and let Ned "screw him over".
  3. This should have been done ages ago.
  4. Justin is known for his centralization tendencies shown by actions by him and Tron Foundation. Tron is completely under control by him and Binance.
  5. Steem is not something that exists so Justin can hype up his Trx shitcoin.

The arguments made against this change are extremely confusing. They seem to counter the majority consensus for the sake of countering it.
An external factor threatened the future of the blockchain OPENLY and purchased stake that was acquired unfairly (ninjamine) and had specific rules tied to it.
Just because Ned broke the social contract and his promise on how the stake will be used does not mean the agreement is now void.
Ive been seeing people make that argument and that simply doesnt make any sense.

I dont like Justin. I think he is the embodiment of everything thats wrong with crypto, but if i did like him i would kinda feel sorry for him for ending up in this situation.
He messed up and got made a fool of by Ned.

BUT... that is his problem, not ours. Just because he didnt know (if indeed he didnt) what he was buying doesnt mean that we go ahead and erase 4 years of history of STEEM and forget about the ninjamine.

The other critique is that witnesses didnt talk to us about it..
Theres really a simple answer to that. The chain was under immediate danger and there have been thousands upon thousands discussions on thousands of different posts about the Stinc purchase.
The consensus as to what direction we should take was more then obvious.

Some disagree with this on ideological grounds for some reasons as if they werent aware of the possibilities of something like this happening when they bought into Steem. This is DPOS.
Why did you buy in knowing how this system works? You are free to counter with your stake but if you disagree with the possibility of this happening then you ideologically disagree with DPOS and Steem making your investment very confusing.

The only criticism i will accept is that it should have been done sooner, a criticism i hold as well...

Not my best post :D, just wanted to share quickly, in a bit of a hurry.

Ill see ya.

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What the fuck is that red(1) beside your name? Are you the chosen one?

Everyday that passes, I pray to God, Allah and Elon Musk that your suspicions about Sun are wrong because if you turn out to be right and they take of the soft fork and everything gets confuckulated, I'm going to slump into serious depression and become a full blown alcoholic

What the fuck is that red(1) beside your name?

Didnt you hear the news?? Im a full pledged abuser and spammer. lol

Nah, it was just a rogue dev with a stick up his butt that didnt like what i said to him. Should be resolved soon. :D

Just because Ned broke the social contract and his promise on how the stake will be used does not mean the agreement is now void.

To be fair, my argument was that it's the witnesses who made the agreement void, by turning a blind eye all these years to Ned breaking the promise again and again for their personal profit.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that I am a moron!!!

Never called you a moron. I was referring to the blacklist folks and abusers that use this to get one over the witnesses that downvote or blacklist them, instead of focusing on the issue.

The agreement was that Stinc wouldnt use it and they trusted him. That was a dumb thing to do but thats the reasoning. That is the contract im talking about.
If they did this before then there would be no need for agreement.

They should have acted sooner and they didnt. They were lazy, complacent and felt too comfortable.
They had to have someone threaten to dismantle the blockchain to start acting.

Shut up. I am a moron.

Not my best work. hahaha

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From what I see the people doing the blacklisting are the abusers !
I dont understand your point? Are you being ironic?

Agree, I was also concerned about the future of Steem and thought for the first time seriously to power down. I also support the soft fork for the reasons oulined in the article. But I also think we should stay open for possible mutual beneficial partnerships with Tron and Steemit Inc. Steemit is although all its problems still the only true blockchain-based social media and the Steemit Inc. takeover is also a chance to finally get more decentralized and codify in a smart contract what the ninja-mined stake can and cannot do.

But I also think we should stay open for possible mutual beneficial partnerships with Tron and Steemit Inc.

I have no problem with that. I might dislike TRON greatly and think that the only thing they have to offer us is their money but if they want to work with Steem i welcome that.
The problem is their original intent which is more then obvious.

I think you are all making a huge mistake.'
The witnesses have all been led by the nose for far too long, doing a first class job of ensuring the obscurity of Steem/Steemit.

Making this platform go viral would have been the easiest thing ever lol

Justin wanted to dismantle and assimilate this chain.
That is all I need to know.

Yes. Take everything of value with him to tron. Dapps, the communuty, the devs.
And kill the original chain.

But the arguments I have seen have been centered around not wanting him appoint his own Witnesses.
One or the other must be true. Both of those things being true does not appear to be possible to me. If i am harboring a blind spot i would appreciate it being brought to my attention.

Personally i would be happy to see a new witness line up. Its exactly what we need to attract the right kind of investors. Bring the Social back into the phrase social media platform

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