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RE: Curating the Internet: Science and technology digest for February 24, 2020

in STEMGeeks4 years ago (edited)

I am not confident that anyone believes in 'climate unchange'. Certainly everyone I have spoken with believes climate does change, and has throughout prehistory, long before the theory of anthropogenic influence was proposed.

Therefore theories of why climate changes need to incorporate the mechanisms whereby climate has changed before our potential influence on it began, and AGW alarmists utterly neglect to do so. Conflating an increase in CO2 well below known prehistoric levels with existentially harmful climate change is insuperable from extant data. Such moderate increase in CO2 is not associated with climate changes in the past, and in fact, CO2 is shown to be a driver of climate change only when extraordinary vulcanism occurs, such as the Siberian Traps, that are estimated to have released 170 thousand billion tons of CO2 over a 1 million year period.

This is far more than humanity will ever release.

Using data from a site that strongly advocates the AGW alarmist propaganda,the current global production is 34 billion tons of CO2 from anthropogenic sources (36 - 2). Per that level of CO2 production, it will take 5000 years to effect the harm the Siberian Traps did to the climate, and expecting current technology and CO2 production to continue unaltered during that time is utterly unreasonable.

Carbon is extraordinarily valuable, highly undervalued today, because it is the basis for life itself. We are carbon based lifeforms, and so is all life on Earth. CO2 is the base on which all photosynthesis and ecosystems dependent on it rests, and all evidence shows that up to about an order of magnitude higher CO2 levels than today's photosynthetic plants benefit from increasing levels of CO2. As the greening of the globe reveals, the natural biosphere of Earth is benefiting from our CO2 production today, and will for a long time.

I must refute the claim that a measurable increase in CO2 well below prehistoric levels that did not effect climate change is proof of climate change.

Thanks!

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Personally, I hate the term "climate change". I think it's meaningless, for just the reason you mentioned. But, it's the term that the authors used. (Probably because it was required by reviewers and editors at Nature, I suspect.)

Their point on confirming "climate change" was that areas that were previously ice covered are turning green, which does confirm warming in some regions, thus - "climate change". I couldn't disagree with that. Of course, by itself it doesn't confirm the source of the warming, and it doesn't confirm any sort of global phenomenon. But that's just basic logic. The authors didn't say any of that... at least not in the Abstract, which is the part I focused on.

The main points that I thought were important from the article were: (i) the confirmation of wide-spread greening that is caused by CO2 fertilization; and (ii) The confirmation that this greening removes additional CO2 from the atmosphere.

Thanks for the clarification. Too often the lack of contextual communication written words convey deprives us of better understanding.

I am confident that the rise in CO2 is claimed to be the cause of climate change by the authors, due to the stated wording of the link. I am a bit flummoxed because the link at the beginning of the portion of the post dealing with the article leads back to your post, and not the article.

Edit: the link to Lemire's blog did get me to the Nature article, and I am reading it now.

"The greening phenomenon, together with warming, sea-level rise and sea-ice decline, represents highly credible evidence of anthropogenic climate change."

It appears my assumption was correct.

I am confident that the rise in CO2 is claimed to be the cause of climate change by the authors, due to the wording of the article.

Yeah, it was certainly implied. I think that you probably can't get past the gatekeepers peer reviewers at Nature without advancing that viewpoint, at least by implication.

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