RE: FreewriteHouse's New Moderators are Commenters
In the Newcomers' Community, we say that we're here to answer any questions but as you say, the majority of users are lazy and don't actually want to learn. They just want to receive votes.
Most of them are introduced by an existing user so they don't tend to have the curiosity of somebody who is seeing it afresh and need to learn for themselves (like I had to).
I don't read the "Achievement 1" at all any more. Why? Because if they've written an "Achievement 1", it means that they haven't read any of the guides or collation of information that I spent a lot of time creating. This isn't limited to new users - this includes some of the Greeters who demand use of the #achievement1 and other old information that we all agreed that we wouldn't ask for any more. I still take the time to read the "1st progress report" - these are people who have actually shown some level of commitment for whatever reason. I try to anyway. I know I've got to catch up with a few.
Do we need Reprasentatives to be available to help newcomers? Well, yeah. I guess it's part of the "label". But there's so much information for people to learn themselves - as you say, like they would in the real world on YouTube or other resource - hand holding shouldn't be necessary and if it is, it's probably because the "learner" is too lazy to learn for themselves.
I am not drunk.
I also tend to believe that those who arrive alone are more motivated. I did by far not use all the benefits of the platform (or steemworld.org) but I could write, post, upvote and comment and spent hours reading (no SP needed for that).
If you do not bump into the right person willing to answer questions it is a lonely journey but I am still around and so are many others. I found several in 2024 and they are all active members exploring different communities, they upvote, comment and are enthusiastic and supportive. I mean if a 77-year-old can figure it out with some help how come others can't?
It's great if you can help someone with tips and they get forward but I don't like to hold hands and spell it out 40 times. I did that enough last year and it's a waste of my time, I rather invest in myself.
I am afraid that if there's no schooling for greeters, moderators and so on it's impossible to achieve something let alone change "the rules". Those who already know will not read whatever is pinned. Perhaps it's good to have some guidelines for greeters and post them in a group chat (without chatting)? If that doesn't work they are out because if you stand for something the same line should be followed without personal interpretations.
I rather see greeters who greet from their heart since that is the "you are welcome" part, not a template with rules. It scares away newcomers. A bit of chatting up and down to figure out what the intentions are (or needs) in an informal way.
I know you are not drunk although we say drunks speak the truth. LOL
Exactly! And...
Also true. Simple answer - Lazy. They don't want to figure it out. They want the answer. And that answer should earn them the big bucks without doing anything.
The main problem that I see with the greeter / steem reprasentative model is that in the main (Ok, not everybody), people apply for it because they want the position of status and presumably the votes that comes with it. It always ends up being about the votes. Then, it's a process of open post, comment on post, open post, comment on post. Or even worse - rate post. All of it's so unnatural.
Which is probably why the "new approach" for Greeters hasn't really changed anything. The Newcomers' Community is still full of "Achievement 1" that are so template driven that they're a bore to open. Hey ho. I tried to make things change but in reality, only inspiracion really understood the why behind it all.
I always used to be a happy drunk. Since children, I'm almost certainly a manically depressed drunk. So I don't drink.
Should all greeters be experienced Steemians? Why not let a few "newcomers" welcome them and do this without being rewarded? Actually, no one should be rewarded to help a newcomer. If a handful of "new" Steemians check and welcome they can practice commenting, share their first experiences and so on and who know friendships will be the result? Perhaps 2 or 3 Steemians can have a look at the talks and guide where is needed. Should everything being paid?
If a newcomer isn't able to "chat" s/he will not learn much or be informed.
There’s no reason for that not to happen and really, everybody could / should be a greeter. But… they’ve probably experienced the same as everybody else who’s tried it. Post after post from Pakistanis at college (who study computing and love photography) and Nigerians (who love drawing and art who soon become crypto experts). There’s the odd, sometimes interesting Venezuelan or Indonesian but that’s pretty much every Newcomer in the past 3 months.
Yes, I know this is cynical but with templated Introductions, templated Greeting is inevitable.
Pakistanis seem to study IT, India as well. My son. Is in an International class guess who the other students are (and rarely show up) at university: Pakistani, India and Nigeria. My first response was: cool you join the hackers of the future. Keep me updated. So this month is for exams. My son did his in 20 minutes where 70 were given and left. This month he mainly works because he finished everything but here it comes...
Physics... they are now being given the chance to take the same exam for the fifth time because the level is so extremely low, or the IQ, that there is no possibility of passing for the idiots. It is miraculous how these "chance pearls" have been imported and given scholarships. My son does not have one he has to work and study so not one single free day or holiday. So far university is not too bad or hard just annoying and a bit dumber every day.
It's easy to get some degree. I read on Steemit about 3 tries for an exam which is found normal. With us not passing the first time is shameful and if you pass after 3 times it's not something to brag about.
Anyway, the world changes, AI is at aid and everyone can be and engineer, doctor and artist. I read more than one saying this, same for the I like drawing, but spotted not one single drawing. 🤔 I asked and @ josluf does the same but votes are taken for granted, the habit will not change and promoting oneself is a big NO (SCs can find me isn't that the whole idea?).
You read this? See the threads as well
https://steemit.com/hive-161155/@alexanderkass/sqt33ok
We laugh but damn how pathetic it is that a forum meant to be anomynous changed into a police state.
If it comes to photos I like to know why covered women in burka are allowed face mask and so on included and others are asked to strip.
Have fun reading and a great day.
Ps children do change a lot in one's life, I never felt that ultimate hapiness preached by media only losing myself. It's a fight not losing yourself and keeping the clothes free from snot, , blood, poop, vomit and tears.
Time to make a drawing. 😁
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Perhaps sometimes, we take our functioning brains and education for granted. We choose to spend our time with people that we can relate to in some way. So when we log in to Steemit, it can often be challenging. Some of us grew up with a sense of pride in what we do, knowing that with a little bit of luck, the hard work will be worth it. I can't remember learning this and I certainly knew it before I was an adult - whether consciously or not. So when people ask for help, hoping for an easy route, I'm not sure it's something that an adult can learn. As many here have already proven.
I've thought a lot about Steemit lately. There are a minority who are here for the communtiy - who feel that votes, rewards, etc. should and can be earnt. But I see so many accounts hunting the auto-votes - which are mostly generated by the people who have been voted as Witnesses. I want to "belong" here... In my nearly 4 years here, I feel like I've grinded to make everything that I touch a little bit more like how I want it to be... but with each day and each Newcomer that I see register, it feels like what I want it to be slips a little bit further away!
What happens if you start a new "newcomer's" community for a certain group of people and dump this one? We can pretend we all are the same but we are not. Different interests, different way of thinking, we are not raised in the same way and I noticed that IQ and education does play a role.
Most of the newcomers are introduced by family or a group and no matter how long they are on Steemit they always mention the same 3 names. They don't like to integrate and be part of something bigger. It's like you noticed it's the upvote and nothing else. I notice the same if it comes to the curators. They mainly stay in their own circle (time for me to start my circle there are about 6 I know they are Dutch and I can add 2 or 3 people from Belgium to my list.).
Personally, I think that the idea of the Newcomers' Community should be dumped entirely. If people want to read an Introduction post, they'll find it.
Similar to alexanderkass, I wrote an introduction and waited for a response. Hours passed and I thought "What's taking so long?" "Why hasn't anybody said hi?" But when 1 out of 100 Introductions should stand out, it doesn't. It is lost because of the hundreds of pointless entries before them. I understand that now. But there will definitely be hundreds of bloggers who have poured their heart into something (more than once), had no engagement and thought "nah. This isn't for me".
I've sometimes thought "Perhaps all of us who are different should find our own corner and be together" but then even us different folk seek different things - even if we have the same mindset.
And that's where my sadness lies (in response to your other comment) - there are perhaps enough like-minded people but not enough with like-minded interests for feel a sense of belonging. At the moment.
Unfortunately, there are people who do not use their IQ in something productive, some have taken on the task of creating multiple accounts to feed them with vague and low-quality content, the common factors are AI-generated texts, blurry images and little interaction in terms of comments.
I guess it's easier to write a script that generates an AI post every day for eternity than it is to think of and write something meaningful.
I blame auto-votes.
You mean no interaction. Entire communities have posts with not one single comment and if I think there are two it's always an auto message from a bot/witness
Same here... 😔
I think AI will be a threat to the future of humanity. Many people will get used to using it to do their university work, without even making the effort to learn. We will depend on AI to solve the new challenges we will face with climate change and the diseases that are developing. I barely had a computer, let alone the internet when I was studying at university.
I never had a computer it was long before my time and neither had my eldest.. it came way later and next school said we should by a printer as well. Today I heard a primary school child work with a tablet so most of them can not even hold a pen or pencil. It will not be good for the brain if it is never trained. Kind of sad.
It's only a few weeks ago my youngest said children at school use AI to do their homework. I wonder how they remember the stuff if they have an exam but it feels as if school and university no longer care about knowledge. My sons says he's getting more stupid every day. It frustrates him.
It is true, schools are not interested in the methods that students use to complete their tasks, in fact, they have reduced the number of in-person and handwritten exams, that is, they are giving them the freedom to graduate without developing their own knowledge. The only hope is that there are still young people who want to dedicate themselves to feeding their knowledge.
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