Five LLMs analyze news events
It's interesting to see how some of the different LLMs handle current news events when they all receive the same prompt.
| In an HTML table. Compare and contrast the cases of Bernie Goetz and Daniel Penny. |
Penny was found not guilty by the jury earlier today, but it seems that none of the LLMs know about that update yet. I give the win to Grok. Here's my overall ranking:
- Grok
- ChatGPT
- Gemini
- Brave -> Claude
- Brave -> Llama
To be fair, Grok is the only one where I have a subscription, so maybe it's not fair to compare a paid version against four free versions. ChatGPT vs. Gemini was nearly a toss-up. Both of the Brave options made basic factual errors. (Claude got the year wrong, and Llama missed Goetz' conviction on a firearm charge.)
Also, I think Brave Llama hallucinated part of its answer. Finally, I asked for HTML, but both of the Brave versions gave me markdown.
Brave Leo -> Claude Haiku
| Criteria | Bernie Goetz | Daniel Penny |
|---|---|---|
| Incident | In 1984, Goetz shot and wounded four young Black men on a New York City subway, claiming they were attempting to rob him. | In 2022, Penny restrained Jordan Neely, a homeless Black man, on a New York City subway, leading to Neely's death. |
| Charges | Goetz was initially charged with attempted murder, assault, and criminal possession of a weapon. He was later acquitted of all charges except for carrying an unlicensed firearm. | Penny was charged with manslaughter in the second degree, criminally negligent homicide, and assault in the second degree. |
| Public Perception | Goetz's actions were seen by some as a justified response to a perceived threat, while others viewed it as a racially motivated shooting. The case sparked debates about self-defense and gun rights. | Penny's actions were criticized as an unnecessary use of force against a vulnerable individual. The case raised concerns about the treatment of homeless and mentally ill individuals. |
| Outcomes | Goetz served 8 months in jail for the weapons charge. He was later sued in civil court and ordered to pay $43 million in damages, though he never paid the full amount. | Penny's case is still ongoing, with the legal proceedings and public discourse continuing to unfold. |
Brave Leo -> Llama
| Aspect | Bernie Goetz (1984) | Daniel Penny (2023) |
|---|---|---|
| Incident | Goetz shot four black teenagers who were allegedly harassing him on a New York City subway train. | Penny fatally punched ( <-- hallucination? ) a black man, Jordan Neely, on a New York City subway platform after Neely allegedly began harassing him. |
| Self-Defense Claim | Goetz claimed he shot the teenagers in self-defense, but his trial revealed that he had a history of mental health issues and had been stalking the teenagers. ( <-- hallucination? ) | Penny claimed he acted in self-defense, but witnesses and video footage suggested that Neely was not a threat. ( <-- hallucination? ) |
| Investigation and Charges | Goetz was acquitted of all charges due to a lack of evidence and concerns about racial bias in the prosecution. | Penny was initially charged with manslaughter, but the charges were later downgraded to a misdemeanor after a grand jury declined to indict him ( <-- hallucination? ). |
| Public Reaction | The Goetz case sparked widespread outrage and debate about racial bias in the justice system. | The Penny case has also raised concerns about racial bias and the use of force in self-defense situations. |
Grok
| Aspect | Bernie Goetz | Daniel Penny |
|---|---|---|
| Date of Incident | December 22, 1984 | May 1, 2023 |
| Location | NYC Subway (IRT Express, downtown No. 2 train) | NYC Subway (uptown F train) |
| Action Taken | Goetz shot four young Black men with a .38 caliber handgun. | Penny applied a chokehold to Jordan Neely, leading to Neely's death. |
| Reason for Action | Goetz claimed self-defense, believing the youths intended to rob him. | Penny claimed he was protecting other passengers from Neely's erratic behavior. |
| Victim(s) | Four Black teenagers (Troy Canty, Barry Allen, James Ramseur, Darrell Cabey) | Jordan Neely, a Black homeless man known for performing as a Michael Jackson impersonator. |
| Outcome of Incident | All four youths survived, but Darrell Cabey was left paralyzed and brain-damaged. | Jordan Neely died as a result of the chokehold. |
| Legal Charges | Charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and weapons possession. Convicted only of carrying an unlicensed firearm. | Charged with second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. |
| Public Reaction | Divided; some hailed Goetz as a vigilante hero, others criticized him for racial motivations. | Also divided; some considered Penny a hero for intervening, while others saw it as an overreach. |
| Legal Outcome | Acquitted of attempted murder, served eight months for the weapons charge. | Trial ongoing as of December 2024, with closing arguments having begun. |
| Civil Lawsuits | Darrell Cabey won a $43 million civil judgment against Goetz in 1996. | No information on civil lawsuits at this stage, as the criminal trial is still underway. |
| Context of Time | 1980s NYC with high crime rates, fear of subway crime. | Recent NYC with ongoing debates about subway safety and mental health issues. |
| Racial Dynamics | Racial tension highlighted due to Goetz being white and the victims Black; accusations of racism. | Similar racial dynamics; Penny is white, Neely was Black, raising issues of race in public perception and legal proceedings. |
Google Gemini
| Feature | Bernie Goetz (1984) | Daniel Penny (2023) |
|---|---|---|
| Victim | Four young Black men | Jordan Neely, a homeless Black man |
| Perpetrator's Action | Shot four individuals on a subway train | Placed a chokehold on an individual on a subway train |
| Perpetrator's Justification | Claimed self-defense against an attempted robbery | Claimed self-defense and defense of others from a perceived threat |
| Legal Outcome | Convicted of illegal weapons possession, acquitted of assault charges | Charged with manslaughter |
| Public Perception | Initially seen as a vigilante hero by some, later viewed more critically | Generated significant controversy and debate about self-defense, mental health, and racial bias |
| Key Differences | Involved a firearm, multiple victims, and racial tensions | Involved a chokehold, a single victim, and broader societal issues |
ChatGPT
Comparison: Bernie Goetz and Daniel Penny| Aspect | Bernie Goetz | Daniel Penny |
|---|---|---|
| Date of Incident | December 22, 1984 | May 1, 2023 |
| Location | New York City Subway | New York City Subway |
| Key Participants | Bernie Goetz (shooter) and four Black teenagers | Daniel Penny (Marine veteran) and Jordan Neely |
| Actions Taken | Goetz shot four teenagers who allegedly attempted to rob him. | Penny placed Neely in a chokehold after Neely was acting erratically and allegedly threatening passengers. |
| Motivation | Claimed self-defense against a perceived robbery attempt. | Claimed self-defense and defense of others against a perceived threat. |
| Outcome of Actions | The four teenagers were injured, one paralyzed. | Jordan Neely died as a result of the chokehold. |
| Legal Charges | Charged with attempted murder and assault; convicted of illegal gun possession. | Charged with second-degree manslaughter. |
| Public Reaction | Goetz was seen as both a vigilante hero and as someone who acted with racial bias. | Penny's actions sparked debates over self-defense, mental health, and racial bias. |
| Broader Implications | The case highlighted concerns about crime in New York City and vigilantism. | The case reignited debates about mental health care, homelessness, and public safety. |

ChatGPT and Gemini fought bravely, but who knew LLMs could turn the subway into a battleground for AI accuracy? Humanity debates self-defense while AI debates…formatting.
Yeah. And they don't really solve programming/software development issues but they present fixes that make one think.