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RE: De-Spinning the Spin - The real truth
What I'm proposing is a mute blacklist that users can opt-into and or opt-out of.
The current blacklist is basically a mechanism that lets some unspecified party or parties pick and choose which accounts I can see and which accounts I cannot see for capricious and opaque "reasons".
I currently have no choice to opt-out.
I can opt-into and opt-out of the "nsfw" mute blacklist, I'd like to have the same choice regarding any other blacklist that's imposed on my account.
The nsfw is just a tag people use to identify their posts as being not safe for work. You don't see it because UIs handle this tag specially. I have never seen it referred to as a 'blacklist'.
If I want to no longer see profanity, we could tell @SteemPeak developers that it would be good to have a profanity tag that users could put on their posts. This is the honors system and it's a good idea. The poster has to use the tag and you count on them. If they don't do it, then what?
Blacklists are by their nature not something members of the said list opt into. It's for the maintainers of the steem sites that opt in to the black lists. This is the UI level. Talk to the maintainers of the UIs to no longer subscribe to these lists or appeal to the list maintainers. As a third option you can support a competing Steem site. The users that support my web-site will be the whales of that site. Those that do can maintain the black lists or make sure blacklists are opt-in only.
Take a look at https://www.steemfiles.com. It uses steem for logging in and shows you a price ticker. I could add features like browsing articles and posting, and the investors will never see their posts hidden on steemfiles.com. I could setup an investment scheme where twenty people invest 100 SBD and they get a site on the Steem blockchain that ignores flags. Rewards are on the blockchain level though so there is nothing I can do about that.
Yeah, I understand the "private-community-reward-pool" dynamic.
I'm only concerned about visibility.
Sign me up.
I'm pretty sure you can copy the steemit code (for free) and modify it to ignore rep and blacklists.
This is a choice the maintainers of steemit.com, steempeak.com, busy.org, the esteem App, or 3speak, steemfiles.com make. There is nothing you or I can do about that.
However, you can make it your choice by changing you UI that doesn't subscribe to the blacklist you are on. If 3speak subscribes to a black list you are on, you can decide to not use 3speak.
Just because I advocate for improvements, that doesn't mean it isn't currently the best among alternatives.
I love how everyone around here instantly jumps to "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT".
Don't you think there's some room for improvement?
Yes, I do! I thought a lot of what you wrote.
Definitions are definitions though: I think the majority's definition 'blacklist' is:
A list of people who are prevented from doing or using something.
So with that out of the way. I like your reference to the 'nsfw' tag. Now this is a tag. There is another tag for worthless posts for experimenting. It's called spam. I used to write software that would talk to RPC nodes and software could write posts to the blockchain. The software would post a message that said 'test' and one of the tags was 'spam.' So, I wasn't flagged.
I think you could invent a new tag for your reasons they flagged you. Something that describes why it gets flagged and then try to get curators to not flag posts with that tag for that reason.
Black-lists are maintained by those who curate them and there is nothing we can do. I do think some of my posts are being unfairly flagged at times, so I can relate.
Thank you for your thoughtful and informative reply.
If comments are viewable by default and I "mute" twenty accounts, that is a de facto (personal) blacklist.
If comments are hidden by default and I "un-mute" twenty accounts, that is a de facto (personal) whitelist.
I should be able to blacklist and whitelist MY OWN VIEWING OPTIONS.
I should NOT be able to blacklist and whitelist EVERYONE'S VIEWING OPTIONS.
Perhaps low rep users could voluntarily add #unpopular or #misunderstood or #censorship to all their posts and comments. I wasn't aware of the #spam tag, that seems like a reasonable model.
Do you know how the current blacklists are created and maintained? Are they democratic or are they dictatorial?
Are certain accounts whitelisted (immune) from stemcleaners and buldawhale and cheetabot?
Don't use the hash mark '#' when talking about #tags. For example, I mentioned the 'spam' and 'nsfw' but I didn't put the '#' before them because the comment I made wasn't spam and it was safe for work. You just made your comment invisible to me. I think #censorship does apply to the topic.
When I first came here in 2016, there was a confirmation dialog that would open up when you chose the 'flag' button saying something like flags were for 'profanity, racism speech, and personal attacks.' This has changed.
@themarkymark has mentioned he does maintain one #blacklist and there is a #blacklist API which gives software access to this. He once said he only flags for abuse.
I have the beginnings of my own UI over at steemfiles.com. I could write something like #steemit that displays posts and allows comments. It seems that would be a fool's errand though.
Please let me know if you make (or know of) a bare-bones steem front-end.
I know a lot of people who would be interested, including some with a lot of followers and others with a lot of steem-power.
I'd even tolerate some banner ads.
Please consider a steem front-end that ignores rep and ignores blacklists and ignores downvoting and allows quick and easy tips (not limited to seven days) and quick and easy steem-delegations would be nice (perhaps "following" someone could automatically include a 0.001 steem-delegation or something). And perhaps some mechanism to share personal "mute" lists between accounts, perhaps something like, if I "follow" or "subscribe" to an account, then I automatically adopt their personal "mute" list.
Perhaps something like this?
https://www.theinnerblocks.com/@freedompoint/snxhmkkxryh
@freedompoint says,
I coded this up : About your posts
It's not complete its just a little beginning. You cannot read posts or post. That's for later or I guess it should be next. Once I figure out how to display posts properly, I'll do that and then add "send 0.1 Steem" tip. Maybe even get this to work with money from other chains. "tip with 0.001 bch" or whatever.
That looks amazing!