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RE: Summary of the Evidence That Jesus Was a Vegetarian Who Opposed Animal Sacrifice (Part 5, Conclusion)

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Also, here's the second half of my last post:

"Except the precept set forth by Jesus that the way God designed things in the beginning takes precedent over later teachings, and that we are to do the will of the Father on earth now just as it is being done in heaven."

See, this is why I hate English. He said the will of your Father who is IN heaven, not "do the will of your Father as it's being done in heaven". Doing the will of the Father is not to practice iniquity. What is iniquity? Literally lawlessness, i.e. what the church does today and has done for a thousand years, not observing the Law and not picking up the cross.

"And the commandment, “thou shalt not kill,” is not restricted to humans; that idea is a matter of human interpretation not found in the Ten Commandments themselves. Also Isaiah plainly says that, “He who slaughters a bull is as if he kills a man, and he who sacrifices a lamb as if he cut off a dog’s neck.” (Isaiah 66:3)"

"Thou shalt not kill" even if applied to animals does not refer to sacrifices considering it doesn't mean you can't kill at all, in-fact it literally means "Don't ratsach". Not only is this word not used for killing in the context of the Bible otherwise, but literally means "killing unintentionally". Sacrifices are INTENTIONAL.

As for Isaiah 66, this is in the context of what I said earlier regarding Jeremiah, when sacrifices became selfish.

"I agree in a sense, though disagree this war is a literal war at the end of time, but is rather an internal war being waged within every single person throughout every age, between our higher natures (Christ within us) and our lower selves (carnal nature as Paul called it). When the Christ nature defeats the lower carnal nature, the ‘second coming of Christ’ has arrived, that is the resurrection of the Christ within, and the kingdom has been brought to earth in you. As Jesus taught, the kingdom will not come by waiting around and looking for it, but rather, “the kingdom of God is within you.” When that kingdom within is realized in a person, then that person begins to manifest heaven on earth. When enough people do so, then the kingdom of heaven begins to physically manifest on earth. Much of Paul’s teachings are on this internal battle and the spirit of Christ within us."

This sounds largely nonsensical. Yes, the Bible uses metaphors and parables, but prophecy being allegorical for a spiritual conflict is just nonsense. Were the prophecies talked of in the books of the prophets that did come true just allegorical? None of them were. And the trumpet judgements have already occurred, and they were literally judgements cast upon Rome (the great city in the middle of 7 mountains, drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs) from after 70 AD to the late middle ages. It has been an empire (dominated Europe as the papacy and HRE until the enlightenment and Napoleon, and is yet to come, just see the Catholic revival today). It's all paving the path for a literal war, in which Jesus would literally intervene.

"While I do agree that God uses all things for his purpose, I do not believe he orchestrates wars, but rather that men living in sin wage wars."

God used the Assyro-Babylonians to punish the Israelites in a war. Then later he used the Romans to punish specifically Judea in a war, by destroying the Second Temple (which Jesus prophesied of). Then there's the trumpet judgement which I said already happened, and outlined above.

"Nor do I see how war paves the way for heaven on earth, for war is hell on earth."

It has to happen in our current state. God promised to Noah not to destroy the world again, and so the world will not be destroyed again. We can't work the ideal of world peace in this sinful state, some warmonger is willing to take advantage of this, and any attempt of works-based salvation is willed by God to be infiltrated. Since it is written that after Gog and Magog/Armageddon Eden will come back, so shall it be. This all boils down to whether such prophecy is literal or allegorical, and it seems literal to me.

I do agree that the "Kingdom of Heaven" is here, in that Jesus is alive, his kingship is valid now, and has punished nations in the trumpet judgements.

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