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RE: When Intervention Fails | [Essay Part 1]

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"All other points are null and void. The individual is the smallest minority. To require anarchy while needing a collective solution of unification of workers without the ability of the individual to choose not to co-operate and still be free, does not produce a level of freedom I would be interested in. Politics and battles of control are bread and circus tricks."

but even the most collectivist form of anarchy (literally called collectivist anarchy) even holds this ability as its highest standard. Please research something before you try to debate about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist_anarchism

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  1. This minority is effectively a new government of labour/capital or majority coalesced into a minority.

  2. From the wikipedia page: 'Once collectivization takes place, money would be abolished to be replaced with labour notes and workers' salaries would be determined'' - so a central authority would do this, assuming all power? How long would it take to abolish all money? How would labour notes be arranged? By a central authority, thereby offering no different a solution to the previous one. The revolution is not at an end.

  3. 'Bakunin's socialism seeks... equality in the social rights of every individual from birth; in particular, equal means of subsistence, support, education, and opportunity for every child, boy or girl, until maturity, and equal resources and facilities in adulthood to create his own well-being by his own labor' - if this includes the politburo.

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"As I have stated, you have a preconceived set of values and ideals, so do I, these do not meet in all ways and will not be changed, therefore there is no point in continuing this."

My values and ideals change through debate and understanding of other viewpoints, do not force your unchanging nature onto me.

Who would decide what is personal vs private property? A central authority?

There would not be a mass flooding from the anarchist side, there would be no need to live rigidly in one defined area, many would and could live in the communes; whereas the opposite could not be true because violence would be enacted, the state violence would not allow deviation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property

alright well, I don't have enough time to answer these basic questions. Please read up on it yourself, its faster either way.

"Why would you wish to be on Steemit, a platform which you could state as capitalist, and whom those that had the incentive initially have gained the majority of followers and power? Does this not contradict with your values?"

"oh man you are eating the food you made under feudalism and wearing the rags it gave you, you can't want capitalism hahaha I win"

"If I gave away my car, I would feel even more guilty. When I go to visit peasants in southern Colombia, they don't want me to give up my car. They want me to help them. Suppose I gave up material things -- my computer, my car and so on -- and went to live on a hill in Montana where I grew my own food. Would that help anyone? No." - Chomsky

"I can give you something we do agree on: Intellectual Property is a fiction, as it is not tangible."

All property is fiction.

"'Bakunin's socialism seeks... equality in the social rights of every individual from birth; in particular, equal means of subsistence, support, education, and opportunity for every child, boy or girl, until maturity, and equal resources and facilities in adulthood to create his own well-being by his own labor' - Equality truly doesn't exist. And even if it did there would be no incentive to produce anything long term, some individuals will have a lust for power and seek to be unequal in relation to others. The need to obtain power doesn't look to be in any way peaceful."

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

https://theredphoenixapl.org/2011/06/02/the-human-nature-argument/

"From the wikipedia page: 'Once collectivization takes place, money would be abolished to be replaced with labour notes and workers' salaries would be determined'' - so a central authority would do this, assuming all power? How long would it take to abolish all money? How would labour notes be arranged? By a central authority, thereby offering no different a solution to the previous one."

The workers themselves are the authority, there is no centralised authority needed to do this. The labor notes are arranged by the workers themselves and managed through labor unions of direct democracy. Again it is anarchist, so only those who wish to take part in this form of society will, and those who do not will likely join in with other groups.

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