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RE: "The Invisible Manhood"

in #health6 years ago (edited)

Why should I be accepting of people that can't accept themselves?

It's dangerous and harmful to dismiss a mental disorder by saying that there's no problem, or that it's "brave" and "just" to pursue such fantasies. Don Quixote charged at windmills. This was unhealthy and destructive.

The rate of suicide and reported attempted suicide does not change after transition. This shows that transitioning is not a solution. This should be obvious since a mental disorder cannot be resolved through physical means. Anorexia, for instance, can't be solved through force feeding. Anorexia can only be solved by the affected through mental change. Gender identity disorder is the same. Men will never understand what it's like to be a woman and women will never understand what it's like to be a man.

A big part of the feminist movement was to let go of gender norms, such as playing with trucks, wearing dresses, enjoying particular shows, etc. When I was young, I was interested in the feminine things because I had an older sister. In modern day, I would have been diagnosed with gender identity disorder and be given irreversible surgery and hormone replacement therapy that would lead me to an early, cancerous, grave. Why is it that not doing the things that people usually do means you have a mental disorder? I certainly didn't.

This insane concept that gender identity disorder is somehow a legitimate medical condition is bizarre and extremely harmful. 10-15 years from now we will see higher suicide rates among "transgenders" because there are many children who have gone through this process without understanding what it really means. Kids who don't have gender identity disorder are being treated as such. It's child abuse.

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Bein transgender is not about not accepting yourself, it's the opposite of that. It's about accepting yourself and understanding yourself.

Suicide rates do not change dramatically after transition largely because of the attitudes above. The stigma attached to being transgender does not disappear after transition, being insulted assaulted and marginalised is still something a lot of transgender people have to deal with.

If you played with trucks when you were young no doctor would have considered gender reassignment. That's really not even close to how it works. There are two steps to pre-operative transition and the competency and consent required for each stage is judged by psychiatrists. No child is simply given irreversible surgery because of the toys they enjoy playing with.

We now understand enough about our sexual biology to have a fairly good hypothesis on how a lot of transgender minds and bodies occur. Your bizarre take on this topic is what is insane. Medical professionals do not take any condition lightly, we do not make decisions based on whims and we don't play politics with patients lives. When we treat patients we treat them based on an in-depth understanding of potential biopsychosocial aspects of health. Ten to fifteen years from now hopefully we'll live in a more understanding society where people are free to pursue whichever sex or sexual identity they like, without random people judging them for their deicsisions based on inept understandings of human psyche and biology.

It is a complete lie that attitude towards transgenders have any impact on the suicide rate. The rates of suicide are so high that they’re comparable only to war vets and Jews in Nazi Germany. Unless transgenders are treated as badly as Jews in Nazi Germany, there is clearly something wrong with being transgender.

Medical professionals who recommend gender “reassignment” surgery to children under 18 are bad people taking part in child abuse.

Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder and the way to treat it is through non physical means. You don’t encourage anorexic to keep refusing to eat or tell them that they’ll be beautiful if they keep doing what they’re doing. This is exactly what you’re doing to transgenders. The first step in helping them is acknowledging the problem.

If you’ve bought into the propaganda, I truly feel sorry for you. Gender identity disorder is becoming an epidemic because professionals are unwilling to ask hard questions, and are treating the issue like its normal.

Professionals are the ones who understand the problem. Not keyboard warriors, I'm sorry you feel you're so informed on something you're so clueless about.

You don't need to be a professional to understand basic mental disorder or basic biology. You have to be particularly educated to be this stupid. It's ideological.

Unfortunately not. Thankfully we're the ones with the power and you're the ones with the keyboards. Best of luck with making changes that way :)

If you're injecting ideology into your field, you are not fit to serve in that field. If you're a professional or an aspiring professional you should value truth over ideology.

Shhh, go away

That's not an argument. Pick one: ideology or truth.

Vox is not a reliable source. There are also studies showing that vaccines cause autism, but we both know that that's untrue. In the Time piece it mentions how gender identity disorder is not a disorder, similarly to homosexuality. But homosexuality remains a mental disorder because science doesn't care about your feelings. Homosexuality was removed from the DSM for political reasons, not scientific ones.

If gender identity disorder is not a mental disorder, why does the suicide rate remain unchanged post-transition? Surely there would be some tangible result if the proposed solution was doing anything to remedy the issue.

How can a boy "feel" like he's a girl? He's never been a girl. He never can be a girl. Biology dictates that you remain the gender of your birth.

Taking a pro-transgender position is taking an anti-science and anti-truth position.

Biology dictates that you remain the gender of your birth.

Actually, this is incredibly incorrect. From birth and during life there are many disorders that can change someone's position on the traditional gender spectrum. Lactotrophic adenomas, Kleinfelters, Turners, Congenital Adrenal Hypoplasia etc...

Not to mention that as women age they lose secondary female sexual characteristics and gain male ones due to a slow down of liver function.

Sex is not black and white, even in nature, so why pretend it's black and white in our brains.

There is no gender spectrum. There is biologically only male and female.

Sex is not black and white, even in nature, so why pretend it's black and white in our brains.

Yes, it is. You're using the words "sex" and "gender" interchangeably, meaning you don't care about consistency in your ideology. Sex is "supposed" to be the black and white one.

No I'm not actually. Look up the examples I gave. Their syndromes where sex is either indeterminate or not fully male or female. So I'll say it again. Sex is a spectrum, gender is a spectrum.

Also I'm not arguing this any more, I'm out.

There are male cells and there are female cells. There are only two possibilities. There are "intersex" people, which is a very rare exception which proves the rule.

You're disregarding truth to push an incredibly dangerous ideology that will result in harm and suicide.

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