Vitamin B12 comes from bacteria. It's found in natural water, in dirt, on plants (that aren't cleaned). etc. If you foster a healthy gut biome the bacteria in your gut will provide you with enough B12.
Problem is, society is addicted to sanitation and antibacterials that kill these bacteria.
Further, we don't eat dirt or natural flowing water very often.
Our deficiencies are a result of our disconnection from natural cycles and environments.
Not sure I buy that 100%. These days scientists can genetically modify bacteria to produce anything. The problem with going full natural and forgetting all the sanitation is today society now becomes unable to sustain high density ways of living such as cities. Also, nature is not always friendly and unlike sharks and crocodiles, we are not perfectly adapted to our environment. There will be casualties and everything becomes survival of the fittest. By the way, dirt houses the bacteria that causes the black plague.
You don't have to buy it. It's fact by these scientists you speak of.
"Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin) is a complex cobalt-based organic compound that is produced naturally only by bacteria, especially those that are anaerobic (e.g., environments that lack oxygen such as large intestine). Animals, plants, or fungi don't have the enzymes to produce B12." -Source
"By the way, dirt houses the bacteria that causes the black plague."
Dirt houses the foundations for literally all of life. So, naturally it houses "black plague bacteria". The reason this isn't a problem is because there is diversity in the soil that doesn't allow any one bacteria to grow unchecked.
The same holds true for our bodies and our own biome. Diversity is key to thriving.
Also, what you have quoted on B12 may be fact but it is a misleading one. This is what I found on a vegan website.
It has long been assumed that B12 is produced by bacteria in the large intestine (aka the colon), but since B12 is produced below the ileum (where B12 is absorbed), it is not available for absorption. This theory is reinforced by the fact that many species of totally or primarily vegetarian animals eat their feces.
The internet is so fascinating because we can find whatever "truth" we want.
From the same article you sited.
"The authors speculated this could be because their diets, which were very low in protein, allowed for B12-producing bacteria to ascend into the ileum where the B12 could be absorbed."
"It is possible that some vegans can ward of overt vitamin B12 deficiency, and even mild B12 deficiency, through B12 production by bacteria in the small intestine.... However, this is an unusual condition, especially in Western countries, and should not be relied upon"
Wait, unusual in western cultures? I wonder then if it has something to do with how we live and not objective facts about B12 absorption?
More like the internet is really a facilitator of communication. A reflection of what's already there. Without it, information just gets a little harder to obtain. Every individual is required to sort out truth and lies. Those who can figure it out may find that it is the key to success. Those who don't move on just fine none the wiser, thinking they are right.
We act in the way that we choose to live. You have a right to live your life the way you want but you have no right to judge or impose your ways on others. If eating dirt is how you get your B12 then so be it. But don't expect everyone else to pay for your medical bills if you develop a depressed immune system or degrading brain function as a result of deficiency. Plus, you didn't answer my question on the other 6 nutrients.
It's not limited to B12. There are 6 more nutrients that we know of that cannot come from plants. Plus, children under a certain age will not have the right gut bacteria to process solid foods or this B12 producer you speak of. Sure, it can also be supplemented by dairy and eggs. But you would need a lot of it.
Yes, everything starts from dirt. But that doesn't change why you must wash your hands after handling it. The moment it enters the body, the environment has changed. Favouring one group over another. The soil may be sporting it just fine and the veggies in it but you simply should not eat dirt.
Speaking of black plaque... It was our
"high density ways of living"
That caused it...
I'd rather educate everyone so they don't eat dirt rather than split them up so that if someone does eat dirt and dies of bubonic plague, it will be an isolated incident.
The population is huge on Earth. You can't just blame cities for existing. People need to live somewhere and they choose to be with other people. Some are born on islands with no means to relocate. There are also regions on Earth which are not suitable for long term human occupancy. The benefits of being in a city must far outweigh it's drawbacks for enough people to form them.
I eat dirt. But only from organic and regenerative farms with incredible fertile and healthy soil. I love it.
Something you may not know. The entire tube from your mouth to your anus is technically outside of your body. In this cavity there are more non-human cells than human one in the entire body....
Eating dirt aids in diversity of these bacteria, fungi, yeast, etc.
This diversity maintains balance and helps break down our food so that we can actually absorb the vital nutrients.
Thanks. I actually recall my highschool biology without needing too much reminder.
You did not address my concern of how balance is disrupted for the bacterial fauna once the environment changes between outside and what is being carried in the body inside. For a person that is travelling, the biomass inside the digestive tract suddenly becomes "foreign" to everything outside.
Vitamin B12 comes from bacteria. It's found in natural water, in dirt, on plants (that aren't cleaned). etc. If you foster a healthy gut biome the bacteria in your gut will provide you with enough B12.
Problem is, society is addicted to sanitation and antibacterials that kill these bacteria.
Further, we don't eat dirt or natural flowing water very often.
Our deficiencies are a result of our disconnection from natural cycles and environments.
Not sure I buy that 100%. These days scientists can genetically modify bacteria to produce anything. The problem with going full natural and forgetting all the sanitation is today society now becomes unable to sustain high density ways of living such as cities. Also, nature is not always friendly and unlike sharks and crocodiles, we are not perfectly adapted to our environment. There will be casualties and everything becomes survival of the fittest. By the way, dirt houses the bacteria that causes the black plague.
You don't have to buy it. It's fact by these scientists you speak of.
Dirt houses the foundations for literally all of life. So, naturally it houses "black plague bacteria". The reason this isn't a problem is because there is diversity in the soil that doesn't allow any one bacteria to grow unchecked.
The same holds true for our bodies and our own biome. Diversity is key to thriving.
Speaking of black plaque... It was our
That caused it...
Also, what you have quoted on B12 may be fact but it is a misleading one. This is what I found on a vegan website.
The internet is so fascinating because we can find whatever "truth" we want.
From the same article you sited.
Wait, unusual in western cultures? I wonder then if it has something to do with how we live and not objective facts about B12 absorption?
More like the internet is really a facilitator of communication. A reflection of what's already there. Without it, information just gets a little harder to obtain. Every individual is required to sort out truth and lies. Those who can figure it out may find that it is the key to success. Those who don't move on just fine none the wiser, thinking they are right.
We act in the way that we choose to live. You have a right to live your life the way you want but you have no right to judge or impose your ways on others. If eating dirt is how you get your B12 then so be it. But don't expect everyone else to pay for your medical bills if you develop a depressed immune system or degrading brain function as a result of deficiency. Plus, you didn't answer my question on the other 6 nutrients.
It's not limited to B12. There are 6 more nutrients that we know of that cannot come from plants. Plus, children under a certain age will not have the right gut bacteria to process solid foods or this B12 producer you speak of. Sure, it can also be supplemented by dairy and eggs. But you would need a lot of it.
Yes, everything starts from dirt. But that doesn't change why you must wash your hands after handling it. The moment it enters the body, the environment has changed. Favouring one group over another. The soil may be sporting it just fine and the veggies in it but you simply should not eat dirt.
I'd rather educate everyone so they don't eat dirt rather than split them up so that if someone does eat dirt and dies of bubonic plague, it will be an isolated incident.
The population is huge on Earth. You can't just blame cities for existing. People need to live somewhere and they choose to be with other people. Some are born on islands with no means to relocate. There are also regions on Earth which are not suitable for long term human occupancy. The benefits of being in a city must far outweigh it's drawbacks for enough people to form them.
I eat dirt. But only from organic and regenerative farms with incredible fertile and healthy soil. I love it.
Something you may not know. The entire tube from your mouth to your anus is technically outside of your body. In this cavity there are more non-human cells than human one in the entire body....
Eating dirt aids in diversity of these bacteria, fungi, yeast, etc.
This diversity maintains balance and helps break down our food so that we can actually absorb the vital nutrients.
Thanks. I actually recall my highschool biology without needing too much reminder.
You did not address my concern of how balance is disrupted for the bacterial fauna once the environment changes between outside and what is being carried in the body inside. For a person that is travelling, the biomass inside the digestive tract suddenly becomes "foreign" to everything outside.