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RE: "Statistics" are irrelevant

in #guns6 years ago

You do know, don't you, that the truth is the truth no matter who said it. Right? That is what liberty is. You can deny it, redefine it, or have a tantrum. It doesn't change it into what you want it to be to point out that Jefferson didn't live up to the truth he recognized. Sorry.

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You do realize that it's "rightful liberty" and not simply liberty and that I never debated that rightful liberty is and isn't only that Freedom is a much more apt concept that has been fought and enunciated in many treaties, not liberty.

It's a tantrum the fact that I pointed out how you haven't addressed anything I have said or brought up? I don't need to redefine liberty, it's the Foundational Meaning that it's based on that I brought into the discussion that you seem to think is "redefining" and therefore redefining is what happens when you take that established concept and use it to mean otherwise or more than that, such as liberty being a Nautical Term first and foremost and then being used to mean everything that could be likened to a break from duty, or freedom from duty.

You made the claim that freedom is the freedom to invalidate others freedoms, and you have been called out on it and you have nothing to bring to substantiate that insipid insinuation and redifining liberty has been done long ago, but you don't care for facts as is obvious, and you've yet to address any of the things I've said, here's a quick recap:

Freedom does not mean Freedom to do anything.
Liberty has been redefined-it meant something and now it means something more.
Laws, both man-made and natural define and limit freedom, like the Golden Rule and aren't the despotic tyrant's will.
Government by the people for the people and of the people isn't Coercive and Rule by Force.
Coercion is necessary to bring people before justice.
Freedom is a much more apt word to describe the concept of "liberty" and the word free has a rich history of being used to mean love, brotherhood, peace and such, unlike liberty.

free (adj.)
Old English freo "exempt from; not in bondage, acting of one's own will," also "noble; joyful," from Proto-Germanic *frija- "beloved; not in bondage" (source also of Old Frisian fri, Old Saxon vri, Old High German vri, German frei, Dutch vrij, Gothic freis "free"), from PIE *priy-a- "dear, beloved," from root *pri- "to love."

The sense evolution from "to love" to "free" is perhaps from the terms "beloved" or "friend" being applied to the free members of one's clan (as opposed to slaves; compare Latin liberi, meaning both "free persons" and "children of a family"). For the older sense in Germanic, compare Gothic frijon "to love;" Old English freod "affection, friendship, peace," friga "love," friðu "peace;" Old Norse friðr "peace, personal security; love, friendship," German Friede "peace;" Old English freo "wife;" Old Norse Frigg, name of the wife of Odin, literally "beloved" or "loving;" Middle Low German vrien "to take to wife," Dutch vrijen, German freien "to woo."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/free

I dare you to find a richer and beautifully evident word or concept that shares any liking of the richness that stands behind Free.

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