RE: Who Is Geoengineering Our Demise?
Hey there @chris-yoder! thanks for your thoughtful comment, I appreciate you taking the time!
Let's see...
'correlation is not causation'... so true my friend, so true. I understand that I am implying that it is, that I see the chemtrails therefore the increase in health conditions are the cause, however I understand that is not the way science works. I'm working with what I know and what I'm learning; I know there are trails in the sky. I know that more people are having health issues that weren't always prevalent. Further, I know that I don't know why. Could these health issues be due to what is being put in our atmosphere? When I first started, all I read was 'nope! that's not it!' without any real disucssion about why atmospheric tampering wasn't the issue. Which in turn made me more suspicious. I don't generally accept the 'because I said so' argument anymore, lol.
Your use of the term 'actual science' is a bit condescending, and I hope (due to the respectful tone of the rest of your comment) that you didn't mean it as such. I recognize this post in particular didn't have the same kinds or numbers of scientific articles that I have used in the past, I was more interested in the books those two gentlemen wrote this time. However, feel free to look at my previous posts with links to juicy science-y articles like the one you used, specifically the one that discusses how the aerosol used changes when it comes into contact with oxygen... it's a good one.
I was told that cloud seeding was a hoax, too, before I started this journey. I discounted it as such. I don't think anyone should be messing with the climate; not in the atmosphere. We need to fix what's WRONG, not try to find a bandaid that we hope won't hurt more than it heals.
In conclusion, I don't find my research a waste of time. I don't know Alex Jones but he sounds super fun at parties. 😉
Thanks again for taking the time to open this discussion!
Thank you for the kind intro and conclusion. I apologize if the term actual science sounded condescending and I can understand why it could sound that way.
Could contrails be chemically altering the atmosphere...sure. However, there were contrails for much of aviations history. For example, if you look at the bomber squadrans of WW2 there were contrails. Also, if you apply Occam's Razor to the case one can conclude that contrails are the result of water vapor freezing in the atmosphere.
I will look at the articles but I would like to ask how well they have been peer reviewed and if there is a consensous of scientists that agree with there findings.
Cloud seeding may not be hugely successful but they have increased cloud size with it but I do agree with you that we should not be trying to influence the climate as it is a chaotic system and we cannot accurately predict the consequences of our actions.
I apologize again for any condescending language.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I do not see any empirical evidence that there are heavy metals being sprayed down upon the populations and cities... then again I have never hosted my own weather balloon to research this, by the way, anyone who is making these claims so ardently ought to try to prove this by doing exactly that, raise a weather balloon and test for the presence of heavy metals in the atmosphere. If I were as convinced and concerned of heavy metals and "chemtrails" I would certainly be motivated enough to do the expiriments to prove it.
-RR
P.S. The only reason I am agitated, is because issues and topics like this only serve to control and misdirect the public. ( Who wants to spend all day and night in constant dread that the clouds above them are filled with noxious chemicals, living in fear of every plane that cruises above them. )
Well reasoned. Although, I think it unnecessary for them to conduct the experiments themselves as that can be cost prohibitive but at least present peer-reviewed papers that a consensus of scientists have agreed as being accurate. Yet, when asked for this lower level of evidence they fail to provide that.