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RE: Table Top Game Reviews: Mastermind
very well said. I have thought it through quite a bit so far, and the two reasons it should be disallowed are:
- steem is intended to be a system for rewarding and elevating quality content, and individuals are not qualified judges of their own work, and if they really think it's fantastic they would not vote for themselves, confident that they will attract the votes
- the incentive to join up and flood the chain with half-assed rubbish just to hang votes on now becomes very big. such people probably consider themselves incapable or unworthy somehow, deep down, and that's why they would consider this as their only way to make rewards. bad behaviour comes from bad incentives and usually, bad feelings toward the self.
Well said yourself
since i realised this, I stopped self voting. It didn't matter when my vote didn't give big rewards but now I think this is not helpful. I'm not here for the money, that is secondary to the networking. There is a lot of quality people on Steem, I'm sure you agree.
Sure do. I intend to stop also. I was doing it for comments to gain visibility and on my own posts as it is default, but will stop too.
@eeks has a point about incentives though. I consider what is possible to be the bottom line, and if selfvoting is more rewarding than activity which attracts votes we can consider things on shaky ground. But I suppose we have to ask, besides what it says about your character ("I'm so great") is self voting actually that bad? Fact is there is more of the pie getting dole out by minnows. Which further begs, are they voting for themselves too!?
For the record, I advocated a reduced power, not all the way to 1 (i.e. linear) but between 1 and 2.
So if we were to go all in here, with the positions we do and the tools currently at our disposal, we might down vote (FLAG!) those who self vote. I could make a witchhunter app in a day as a tool for us 😉 You in?
I'll delegate some SP for that, for sure! Now we have delegation, maybe we can cause a similar upset as The Experiment, which is what gave us HF19...
Oh, and the rewards curve - what we have now is democracy. Everyone can substantially reward themselves with self votes. Before, that was just whales, and they could easily just create alts to make it appear as though it was not themselves. That's the only difference I see and it highlights what might have been going on behind the scenes before HF19, VERY likely.
Oh man it could really be a thing. My throat has just gone dry 😵
We can be the next @abit and @smooth for the Post Hard Fork Nineteen world :) With a little help from our friends.
If it's not allowed, it raises the potential for people to sell their Steem because it's not worth as much to people who bought in under these conditions and understanding these mechanics. That would drive the price of Steem down substantially as there are a lot more people earning Steem than regularly buying Steem on Polo or Bittrex. On the margin, this could radically lower the price of Steem, which in turn would reduce the rewards for writing posts and curating for minnows and dolphins and curb their creation and activity, and so on.
That's why all these issues aren't simple -- there are tradeoffs in every direction and human beings grouped together are complex adaptive systems.
Like the sun in its' effect on the earth, the biggest controller of the value of Steem is purely the subjective opinions of the markets. Price going up and down will be not caused by something as simple as a HF with a ban on self voting, most likely. But outsiders are gonna think self voting is lame, this is everyone's first response before they start to think about it, and not be so sure.
Why is it you are forgetting that voting, posting, flagging, these are NOT market phenomena, as in money? These are culture exchange, this is the correct place for democracy. The objective of Steem's design is to facilitate the reward of the production of items of culture that are most appreciated by the users. Self voting does not provide that information to the network.
And as I have mentioned elsewhere, the incentive for people with strange ideas about valid ways to earn money? They will come and spam it up so they can pin their self votes on it.
We will see soon enough once people start doing some analytics how much of a problem this is. I don't want to see Steem becoming filled up with entropy.
I agree entirely, I also can't see any argument apart from self induglence that justifies self voting.