@lecrazycanuckeh. I have started to use masking tape for that very reason. Lel. Even then It does not have the same effect. I think I am going to go old school and use silk ties as gags and silk Japanese ropes to make my ties. I took 5 years of sailing until I got my white sail 3, It seemed stupid at the time but apparently being able to tie exotic knots is a thing now. (;