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RE: Freedom is what you have when no one is forcing their will on you...
Basic income, along with all other state welfare, is literally putting a gun to some people's heads to pay for other people's stuff. That has absolutely nothing to do with individual liberty. You're not kidding anyone.
I don't think you understand what "literally" means. I also don't think you understand what basic income means.
The closest thing in the world to basic income is in Alaska, where every resident gets a check every year as their share of the natural resources. You know, natural resources, as in the shit no one made, but someone calls dibs on.
So is your argument that the oil companies have a gun to their head? Because that would be as stupid as saying that you'd be pointing a gun at someone's head if they asked to drill in your backyard for oil, and you both voluntarily agreed to drilling terms where they paid you for the right to drill. It's negotiating a voluntary contract, and what the oil companies in Alaska pay to drill is the up front cost of doing business, not a tax.
Don't be a fool. If you lived in Alaska, would you turn down your dividend as being state welfare? Would you feel your individual liberty had decreased every time you cashed your dividend check?
Do you currently turn down every tax credit offered to you as being welfare? Because it is. Giving you $1,000 in tax credits is the same thing as not lowering your taxes but providing you $1,000 in cash. I doubt you have a problem with tax credits, and I definitely doubt anyone has ever literally put a gun to your head.
You're a funny guy and you're trying too hard here.
Yes, I do know what literally means. I was talking about taxes. If I refuse to have my wages stolen from me, men with guns will eventually come. If I resist, they will kill me. You know this too, but you pretend to be a know it all on the Internet. /golfclap
Oh, and the reason I called you a funny guy is because you clearly don't understand economics, but that's to be expected for someone with your beliefs.
How do you think that oil is taken out of the ground in Alaska? Do you think it magically appears on the market to be sold for profit? No, it does not.
Yes, the state has a surplus, and the people living there get small checks yearly as a share of the profit. That oil gets to market though through a ton of people actually working. They don't sit home collecting universal income checks.
Speaking again of those checks, the Alaskan ones are not enough to live off of for the entire year. Instead, it is a bonus. To provide people with full universal income, you would have to TAX others instead of simply rely on oil profits.
Oil profits I might add are WAY down these days. You knew that already though, right? Entire nation states such as Russia and Saudi Arabia have had to completely rework their economies because of the drastic changes lower in oil.
Again, you're so funny... 40% of my income is stolen every year to be given to other people, and you try to suggest I should be happy with child and other tiny credits. That's brilliant!
Hey buddy, I'm going to rob you today, but don't worry. I'll leave you with $5 bucks for the metro. Oh, you have a child? Okay, here's $5 more. Now, give me the money, or you go to prison. Resist? You're dead, mister.
You literally don't understand basic economics. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone, somewhere, has to pay for what is given out through welfare.
If socialists understood economics, they'd be capitalists.
Yes, if they also had the correct definition of capitalism. Unfortunately they tend to lump any social issues they see in with the term. Capital is considered the poison causing all the ills. Being anti-capitalist then, to such people, means simply to be against everything that's bad...
LOL, it's so quaint seeing people talking shit about whole groups of people effectively labeling people as such without an ilk of substance to effect some importance behind the nonsense labels, quite embarrassing to witness at the same time, as such people live in their pigeonholed mentality of generalizations and suppositions and inferences of insignificant measure in the face of facts and in their airs of intellectual superiority they chose to lump onto Ad Hominems on top of Ad Hominems, the echo chamber of know it all "voluntarists" who cannot accept that Taxes are paid by choice and live in the world where people get killed for not paying taxes, and information such as Revocation of Election is meet with a idiotic nonthought Ridicule form the mascot of assholery that they so happy gather in support of, because why examine, why investigate and why research when you know it all already.
The point is that the reality of the UBI and the propaganda drilled into people's heads through indoctrination camps and misinformation in popular culture are so polarizing that you can readily tell who knows their shit and who is parroting someone else conclusions. Thank you for spreading your message of peace, prosperity and doing it in such a clear and comprehensive way.
What's peaceful about taking, by force, from some to pay others? You people crack me up.
I will challenge you here and now in front of everyone over your insinuations:
Demonstrate that UBI is about taking, by force, from some to pay others, without a shred of doubt over the facts:
(1)That the money is taken by Force (2) and that the money taken goes directly to UBI.
My account is worth about $400 and I wager that you cannot demonstrate such, my whole account, password to be emailed upon successfully meeting the requirements of Demonstrating such matters of fact.
What is happening is that people believe Taxes are FORCED when in fact all taxes are voluntarily paid, nobody is FORCING-ANYONE.
What you are doing is EXACTLY what I described above when I said that you are using SECOND-HAND-CONCLUSIONS, and it will become obvious when you try and prove these things with FACTUAL-UNDENIABLE-TRUTH-OF-MATTER, and not misconceptions built on Assumptions and Presumptions such as Citizen=Free Man.
Using your line of language all extortion fees are paid voluntarily, correct? So is intercourse under threat of having your throat cut, right?
"Voluntary" normally (when not explicitly pointing out the specifics) means different things depending on context, as it then should. The common theme with anti-capitalists is that they confuse the proper uses in these contexts - such as the difference between discussing free will and it's narrow practical defence in the legal realm - and that they strawman the anarcho-capitalist position as being one for a society where no positive moral or contractual considerations are given to the poor, the weak or the person currently residing on someone else's property.
Can you explain exactly how you come to "this line of language" and why?
It's not a narrow practical defense to clear the presumptions of being a citizen, and it's hardly applies if there was no victim, and nobody said anything about contractual considerations given to the poor not being given by the anarcho-capitalist.
The point is that things such as Income Tax, Property Tax, apply to your Straw Man. If you don't clear the presumptions of the federal (commercial) realm, all those municipal statues, all those federal rules apply by contract of adhesion.
The people that collect the taxes and the people that hand the taxes in are both intentionally misinformed and disinformed to the nature of the state. They believe the State to apply to everyone in all its 18 million statues, stipulations, mandates, dictates, directives, actions and whatever other word they wish to use, and they also believe the state to be public, when for the large part the state is foreign to the borders it's jurisdiction is under, and Private Corporation. That is why people have a hard time dealing with the state, what they don't know hurts them.
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/2014/12/10/twelve-presumptions-of-the-court/
Using my line of language: I made a Direct, Specific Challenge and set the terms in concise and clear language after which I remarked on specifically on Taxes not being Forced and Second Hand Conclusions in response to remarking about .. Borrowed Conclusions, and nothing more.
Genocide isn't genocide if you willingly walk to the station, voluntarily walk on the train, and peacefully walk into the shower. It doesn't matter if a Nazi has his uzi pointed at you. You did it, voluntarily, on your own.
Where did you read Genocide isn't Genocide?
Why not muddle the conversation by figurative (@finnian) suicide myself by nazi shower, I do that all the time too.
haha Yeah, I didn't rape that woman either. She voluntarily let me have sex with her. I had a gun and was threatening her with it, but hey... why would that matter?!
Because yet again we were discussing rape, lmao. Details details.
What a mockery I can make out of such Anarchists, laughable you guys think you have sense worth shit, I mean do you really expect everyone to Revoke their Election, OMG you sound like a pompous Free Man and we know how they are all about Raping, Stealing and Free Lunch.
There is no universal basic income. How can I prove what does not exist?
Are you talking about taxes in general? Every year the IRS sends me corrections to my taxes. Every year, if I do not pay those corrected amounts, they will garnish my wages to get them.
I cannot keep my job without paying taxes. Remember Peter Schiff's father? He went to jail because of taxes. Countless other people do too.
Sure, there are ways to fight the system, but it is VERY difficult to avoid income taxes these days.
I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove though. You think UBI should be given by government, and you think giving it is all voluntary?
Taking from corporations and "rich" individuals to pay UBI to others will not be voluntary. It will be mandatory. It will be a "do it or else" scenario.
All of you "free men" are always so cocky. You think just because you supposedly beat some court issue, probably simply because you were not worth the judges time to bother with, you think everyone else should do the same? You also think because of what happened to you, it should also be the same for others?
I was sued once in court by a thief. He used the court system against me to steal. I fought him as much as I could, but guess what? He still won. Then what happened? The courts GARNISHED MY WAGES.
There was no way for me to ignore the courts as you and people like you suggest. I was going to be robbed, and that was the end of it. If I didn't pay, I would have lost my job, etc.
You're delusional. Seriously, you are out of touch with reality.