More THIEVES on Steem Blockchain? Be careful with bidbots... Don't use @booster! Here is why...

in #fraud3 years ago (edited)

Hi my Steemian friends!

I gave it many thought before writing this post, as I usually don't like to be public about my disappointments or the stuff that I find unfair or unjust, but following the series of things that have been going on I felt I had to because I think this is destroying the spirit of Steem community. :(

I never was a big fan of Bid Bots. Actually I was invited to participate in a couple of them and I never did, because I don't think that they are a good thing for the Steem ecosystem. But lately I started to use them on my posts about DSound community updates because it is the only way to get a post on trending in Steem nowadays, which is sad on it's own but it's the way things are!

Yesterday I was confronted with the story of @fulltimegeek: We have a THIEF on the Steem Blockchain -- Don't use BUILDAWHALE !!! and many others that I read lately and I got worried about this trend...

This post is not to talk about the @fulltimegeek situation, as I don't have many information on that and I don't even know the guy... but I find strange that people jump on a flag war without any further investigation! And mainly I find strange that in +1700 comments on that post, no one talks about the fact that @themarkymark is using @buildawhale blacklisted bids to fund his other project @ipromote with other people's money! This is a fact, I didn't make this up:

Although I respect @themarkymark for the many good things he did on Steem community over the years, I have to manifest my uncertainty on the fairness of this situation, because the @ipromote project is not in any way related to removing bad content or spam from the platform, but another bid promotion service that he runs! Now I ask what is worse, biding on bid bots to a link post or keeping other people's money to fund his own other projects? Well, this is a rhetoric question because, as said, this post is not about that situation, just giving my factual 2 cents on this...

Maybe I'll get flagged and/or trolled as well... if there's still hope for this community, I sincerely hope this won't happen!

Steemians are becoming unfriendly too damn frequently! Greed is becoming the norm here, trolling is now the way people disagree about anything and even censurship is now accepted! This is so fucking sad! :(

Well, moving forward to my case...

Last week I posted another DSound community update, this one calling for delegations, so I had to use bid bots to make it appear to as many people as I could, as nowadays is the only way to get people to see our content. So, I sent many bids to the bigger bots in the @yabapmatt's SteemBotTracker website, which let's us direct our bids to many bots and follow up what their doing. Here is the bid I sent to @booster:

As you can check on my account, neither @booster voted my post, nor it refunded it or reply with any information. Well, I am a developer and I know quite well the code of @yabapmatt's postpromoter bid bots, as I am checking it to get ideas for my new DSound Love Machine community promotion bot, so I could understand that the bot got stalled somewhere and wasn't responding to any of the bids... so I patiently waited for the bot operator to resolve that situation, alerting of that in the latest post of @booster.

Nothing happened for days, but then @booster disappeared from SteemBoTtracker website, and I started checking directly the bot API to try to find more information, so I saw that my bid and others were on the next_roundlist, so maybe they would still be run eventually... but suddenly later on, they got removed by the opperator and the bot started a fresh round without any of the bids that were there left hanging to the next round! As @yabapmatt can confirm, this list doesn't get wiped out without human intervention, as it is saved in the bot state to disk, so this was intentionally done by someone!

I have to say that at that time the bot didn't have any "OUT OF SERVICE" message on it's page, as you can verify on the Blockchain by the transaction that updated the @booster account or the post informing that here:

As you can see this happened only one day ago! So several days after my bid or my messages that you'll see below...

Facing this, and still without any reply on my comment on the latest post of @booster, as you cann still see here:

I started trying to find anyone to talk to about that, mainly on the SteemSpeak Discord server, as the @booster bot belongs to that community, or the community admin @fyrstikken. The people in the general chat had informed me that the bot operator was @thedegensloth, so I sent him a private message, here is the full private conversation:

So I went to @fyrstikken and sent him a private message as well, that he took days to reply, after several messages I exchanged with other members of the community in general chat, only to insult my intelligence with this:

You can see that I sent him the conversation with @thedegensloth as well, so no excuse for this reply...

So, I am still without my 20 STEEM and these guys don't give a fuck about any of this! Sorry for my french but this really pisses me off...

It's not about the 20 STEEM! In fact I am not richer nor poorer because of that... but it is a question of fairness and this climate of kaos and general disrespect for others in the Steem community that I really find disgusting!

I think that this wave of "if you have huge stake you can do whatever you want and get away with it untouched" kind of mentality is slowly killing the Steem community, and this makes me really sad!

When I joined Steem community, almost 2 years ago, it wasn't like this! Otherwise I would probably not have joined it, nor developed DSound or the DSound Tribe community in here...

Please use this post to re-think about Steem and what it is becoming... This is not intended to generate any wars, but more a community brainstorm about these issues and how to avoid continuing in this direction!

If this is what the whales, and their sheeps, want to Steem, like a stake weighted KAOS, then maybe I am one of the few "aliens" in this community that want's it different... :(

Sorry to bring this sad post to you guys... But this is getting too far...

Peace and Love <3

@prc

UPDATE:

See what I got by raising my voice against all these bots, bot owners and unscrupulous whales?!

Now one team upvotes and another team downvotes, like two kids comparing their dicks sizes, sorry for my french.

But they didn't have balls to start doing it on the post, because there they would become more visible... Well, maybe they will now!

Welcome to the kindergarden! 🚸 This is the state of Steem... 😔

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I am sorry our service has caused you so much grievance. When I am repaired and operational and working again - you will be refunded according to the blockchain after an audit.

Thanks for the refund @booster! Although it is sad that it only occurred due to my post... you had many opportunities to do it before, but didn't care about it as shown above... :(

But I still don't see any other refunds to the other people that also lost their bids! Are you going to refund those too? Or just me because I made a buzz?!
I think it is great to have the decency and frontality to make right what you should have done, and apologising for it, but please make it right for everyone that lost the bids, as they don't deserve being penalized by the incompetence of the bot operator! What is fair will always be the right option... :)

Just so that you know, if you didn’t, below is a comment of @transisto with a lot of bids that were also ignored by you. Please refund those too, as all other bids of people like us, that sent them and got nothing in return besides a bunch of time wasted trying to contact you... thanks!

THIEFS is not a word, the plural for thief is thieves.

By the way, I fully support @fulltimegeek here, I never really liked Steems Bid Bots, nor their owners.

that makes two of us
@fulltimegeekis one of the more decent people ive convesed with
and if it want for him i would be negative 100 or more lo
bernie is still sending me replies because of it and my opinons shame really
have a good day dontstopmenow

Thanks for the correction, as I am not a native speaker of English language... I do my best, and thieves is not a word that I write a lot, thankfully! :)

No worries, I know your native tongue is Portuguese. And sorry for being such a grammar nazi.

U fully support 16000 spam posts in a day as well? Copy n pasted aolp.

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I wish people would stop all of these bullshit services that single-handedly killed Steemit.

Yeah... all this strict economic crap started killing what was really nice community... :(

That's not even what bothers me. It's just that it was possible to make money here at one time.

Some of these bid-bots are just getting too big. Their masters are becoming too powerful. Even worse, people are making posts just to bid them up for a quick return, not even to get attention to their 'content'. It's why they are so upset when they don't get their ROI.
Anyone who looks at Steemit quickly sees posts trending in 'all' valued for hundreds of dollars. Then, they want to see what all the attention is about only to find someone with a rep below 50 with less than 1000 SP. The person has no apparent allies or curators and is just posting something uninspiring (to use kind language) with little to no purpose having tags that are so broad and general.

What really disgusts me is this tendency of doing whatever they feel like just because they have a huge stake... there’s no sense of fairness or non-aggression here anymore! :(

great article and i took frystiken off my following a while back people in general are untrustworthy but there are a lot of good people here such as yourself
dont give up
cheers and i hope you get your money back
have a great day

Steem community used to be like that... but it is speeding fast in the opposite direction... I can’t accept these behaviors from anyone, specially whales, witnesses or any other community builders that should have a say on this platform! Shame on them! :(

I've never liked bid bots..total fetter on steem's development.

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Completely agree... :(

Steemians are becoming unfriendly too damn frequently! Greed is becoming the norm here, trolling is now the way people disagree about anything and even censurship is now accepted! This is so fucking sad!

That's so very true. I just sit back and have a good laugh at them.

Looks like we can't even speak our mind without getting bullied. Lmao.

Unfortunately Steem is going in that direction... :(

How pathetic is this.
This is why I pay small amount for bids coz you never know it is get eaten and then you have to stumble here and there asking for repayments.

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This behavior is sooo uninspiring... :(

Esquemas my friend esquemas...
São opções de vida...
A essa gente desejo (desculpa, eu nem sou muito de asneirada mas vai ter de ser mesmo à tuga 😁) que lhes nasça um eucalipto no cu!!

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Tens toda a razão! Mas há árvores mais espessas... ahahah :D

Heheheh
Thanks all folks

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Steemians are becoming unfriendly too damn frequently! Greed is becoming the norm here, trolling is now the way people disagree about anything and even censurship is now accepted! This is so fucking sad! :(

Yep, isto. Parece uma daquelas novelas mazinhas... que são cada vez mais frequentes!

Interesting... the only time I heard of @thedegensloth was when he ran an ICO for the launch of “Zappl” a while back, which was supposed to be the Twitter of STEEM.... the Zappl tokens that were originally sold to fund the project were absolutely worthless and unredeemable... and I don’t think the project ever became successful

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That @thedegensloth was the operator... the bot owner, said by all people in SteemSpeak Discord server, is that @fyrstikken guy, who is a witness and that discord server admin! His posture really disgusts me...

This is really disgusting! I also have some sad experiences with whales with massive SP-Power! I do hope this behavior doesn't get worse.

Yes Peter... :( It's like the Far West but without any personal values... Sad to see this in this community. Hope that people stop to think about this and change their behavior. This was my intent with this post!

Pro tip: Do not use any bid bots.

Buildawhale and booster have always been the shadiest bid bots to use.

If you want to use ethical bid bots that don't rob you, i would suggest using bots that cap losses, capping the potential loss means they have an ethical mindset.

Also you may want to try a new bot that I think is leading the way forward and they are called, @tipu they give a guaranteed 100 percent bid, based on your payment. You can tip yourself or tip posts you like.

Thanks for the tips... :) But that doesn’t remove any of the non-sense that I talked about... if they are shady, how they continue operating and stealing people without any problem, and even being voted as witnesses?

Good question, maybe @yabapmatt could add a rating system to his excellent steembottracker.com website, that would help to weed out the bad actors.

Bid bots are like the Wild West and some are taking advantage of that.

But this is getting too far...

Couldn't agree more!

P.S.

Witness, Serial Entrepreneur, Blockchain Enthusiast & Developer, Creator of DSound, Crypto & Token Economics Consultant, Voluntaryist and Music addict

Could not find you on the witness listing at:

https://steemian.info/witnesses

My witness is @dsound and is at #119 ranking, maybe because I don’t lick whales arses...

Well promoting it on your profile would save arseholes like me some time.

Will add that... you don’t seem like any “arsehole” to me... :)

You caught me on a good day. 👍😎

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Bid bots are an abomination I really blame them for the decline of the steem platform people no longer manually upvoted and thus no longer really went to look at content. it has made this place like a mirror gallery where people are screaming in empty rooms where no one or very seldom anyone listens or cares ...

As always my friend, you share your wisdom with the best words! :) Completely agree with you!

sorry darling i was in a rush to send you a reply since i know your an impatient mafa and i dont use a spell check like your dumbass and cinder block wont work for you youve got too much air pressure upstairs it would just bring the cinder block up to the water
do you live in the basement of your parents house
and i guess its a bonus the hot air pressure for you since i believe you already tried the cinder block thing yourself
too bad you have that hot air pressure thing or you would have succeeded
be well and safe jerkoff

hi prc sorry for the downvote
i immediately upvoted you when i realized what i did got carried away with that morally bankrupt BS whackjob
have a great day

cool mate, no problem! :)

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Thank you @prc to speak up from many of us the-fishes-of-silence. Many steemians try to improve on their small numbers, but like any enterprise, the rule is rich-get-richter. Some bots even return good reward at first to lure you in, than just designed to suck out of you.

Bots setup for helping awesome communities like Indie musicians and DSound Love Machine is great. Saves hardworking steemians time. Pure profit targeted schemes, is a bad practice at least, scam and robbing. Even fair one is NOT a HEALTHY community and NOT blockchain WORK.

Absolutely my friend! As a matter of fact, I speak publicly because I am worried with the direction that Steem as a community is headed... I still think of Steem as a great social experiment, but this nonsense is really getting out of control! :(

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Yep it's a shithole here for sure. Its purely entertainment for those like myself that got to the party late enough to be blessed with complete disillusionment and the stench of ponzi in the air.. Point being anyone new with half a brain wouldn't invest a bowel movement in this platform and trust me when I say that spells disaster. It's a closed loop of circle jerks and insider discord deals, with a thin veneer of delusional hope dealers desperately trying to save this aching cavernous utter failure...

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Hehe. It is a circle jerk for sure although i wouldnt say its as sinister as folks making shady DM discord deals.
Its more about them not giving a damn.
Its all about power struggles, who said what, why, being important in the face of drama, being a mediator, having a strong opinion on issue brought up by influential people, etc....
I mean even took that path and tried to "mediate" and that got me upvotes that amounted to what i generally earn in a month. But i started feeling dirty doing it, so i stopped.

Something that was supposed to be a social media, community empowerment platform is turning into a power grabbing, brown nosing, ass-kissing, drama fueling, greed driven, shameless, prostituting platform where the only thing that matters is who is on your side and how much SP does that person have.

Sounds about right. Steem, something to do while on the 🚽 toilet. Truly pipe dreams. The hostility is palpable as evident on posts like this where the net is cast far and wide.. Which is amusing because nets and whales in the real world aren't a thing but there's some monsters tangled up here. Its kinda the worst of the worst of the internet and that's definitely entertaining..

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Well...I am having less and less hope as this kind of things develop... :(

Luckily there are new Dapps coming out all the time, like Drug Wars, hopefully STEEM will survive but who knows after reading all this.. :D

It looks like its the same in every part of the Cryptocurrency industry. Tell me there's no circle-jerking and whack jobs in the Bitcoin Investor community.

Even so, i'd take this shit any day over giving my eyeball and views to Facebook to see shitpost in return.

Agreed, I'm here bullshitin around..

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A lot of "rich" Steemians are becoming unfriendly too damn frequently! Greed is becoming the norm here, trolling is now the way people disagree about anything and even censorship is now accepted! This is more then fucking sad! :(

Following the Steem Alliance and their work to get me better informed on where Steem is going, I'm impressed with the work some of the WG, even though my sad observation all over Steem is more in the above expression^^.

How would anyone with brain and money invest in such a (as you called it) kindergarten? What do you think would people, with the possibility to invest some big money to make this in the beginning excellent idea work, really think about this situation on the platform?

As long as their are these ego-selfish-ego-idiots with to much steempower and to much bots running the "moral-army" all over this place, there will be only sadness coming... Personally I'm not even talking about steem anymore. As long this situation is not changing it's like in real life, the blind one and the ignorant one letting themself abuse and violate by the "rich and powerful" alpha dogs... sad as hell!

As usual a well researched and informed post. Thanks for the heads up! It has been a long time since I have used bid bots, but I know this info will help others! Straight out stealing freaks me out on such a democratic platform. I feel that the use of bid bots will create a one percenter society and ultimately devalue the price of STEEM. I hope there is a turn around on this subject.

Completely agree mate! These behaviors are not legit of a fair and sane society at all...