Ethical Depopulation Could Save the Planet
In Full disclosure, I have used the alias "Robert Greene" on several internet forums. The content I've provided on this post, is the same as the content, I've used on several forums. If you accuse me of plagiarism, I am only plagiarizing myself. I've held back on talking about overpopulation, because I know it's controversial. I feel it's the biggest environmental issue not being discussed.
And so it begins..
Source: http://www.theindependentbd.com/arcprint/details/122330/2017-11-06
Why are we spending billions on energy retrofit programs, climate change research, environmental consultants, and conservation, when we are spending next to nothing to slow down population growth? We're putting a lot of resources into energy efficiency, but all that goes to vain when we ignore rapid population growth. We can't allow ourselves to go beyond 10 Billion, or there will be severe consequences for our quality of life, and environment. We need a plan for humanity to survive at least another 1000 years, and ethical depopulation might be the solution.
Are we simply going to ignore the issue, and let countries like India and China get over 2 billion? How will future generations maintain a high quality of life, when the resources start to run out? What will the quality of life be like for them, when they can't get access to affordable food, housing and transportation? The people living in mega-cities are becoming alienated from nature. The quality of life diminishes when they spend 2 to 3 hours a day stuck in traffic. We are running out of farmland, and we don't need to watch the Amazon get destroyed, in order to make room for new farms.
By gradually reducing the World's populating, we could start to regrow forests outside cities, providing a beautiful landscape and recreation opportunities for future generations.
How do we proceed with aggressive action on overpopulation that will be ethical, and not interfere with humans rights?
I give you a picture of Mexico City, showing 16 Square kilometers, without a park or woodlot. How do we get nature back in a rapidly growing city?
How do we get environmentalists and mainstream media talking about overpopulation? Whenever you hear a news segment on Climate Change, it usually goes after Big Oil, and the political establishment for not implementing a carbon tax. They work so hard to try and change the system, but why not work just as hard to stop the system from getting bigger. Why not work just as hard to stop population growth?
Should we take money away from energy retrofit programs, and put it towards helping developing countries stabilize their population? I think the ethical solution is to encourage up to 2 children, but provide contraceptives, education, incentives, free vasectomies, after the second child is born. How can we get mainstream media involved in the debate, so we can come up with some ideas that are ethical, and effective? It's OK to have a debate. If 1 in 10 ideas work, than that's better than doing nothing.
Even in Canada, overcrowding is affecting our quality of Life. In the town of Markham all the houses look the same. Why not leave a few lots empty for a small park, community garden, or woodlot? Why not have some mixed used development, instead of massive residential areas? Maybe Canadian cities are becoming overpopulated. We should encourage growth in small towns, instead of adding to the largest cities.
Farming takes up more space than any other human activity. Just look at the State of Iowa. Before Columbus, all of this was forests. In their greed, the pioneers virtually whipped out an entire state, without any second thought about conservation. The remaining forests remaining are small, and insufficient. Maybe we should replant some of the forests for the environment, and to provide recreational opportunities for future generations. Farms are beautiful, but they shouldn't take up 95% of the landscape. Leaving only 5% for nature, is unacceptable.
One of the problems is, overpopulation makes money for the elite. Globalist can outsource jobs to high growth countries, and make billions off an endless supply of cheap labor. Real estate speculators need rapid population growth, to drive up the price of their holdings. Depopulation is going to put transnational corporations out of business. Liberals won't talk about population growth, because they believe it's the 1% telling the 99%, how to live their lives. I don't think anyone needs a family larger than 2. You want a 3rd person in your family, you adopt. We could implement compulsory vasectomies after a father has his second child, but the political backlash would be to severe. So we could spend billions promoting volunteer vasectomies, after the second child. We must encourage as respect family size, up to the second child. Promote personal finance and parenting education in schools.
We need liberal environmentalist to recognizes that "all roads lead to overpopulation". Manmade climate change wouldn't exist without overpopulation. Deforestation would be less severe without overpopuation. The oceans would have more fish without overpopulation. To say that westerners are greedy, and Africans aren't, because they use less energy is false. They would acquire our wealth, and consume, as much as we do, if given the chance. Instead of demonizing personal consumption, we need to slow down and than reverse rapid population growth.
The price of housing and food would go down, as demand decreases. The quality of life for the average citizen would go up, with a gradual and ethical depopulation. In Europe, many countries are making the mistake, of providing incentives to increase their population. Virtually every country, except Greenland needs to depopulation. China and India should talk highest priority, followed by Africa and Latin America. We need to come up with the concept of "Ethical Depopulation". It we advocated for a documentary to be made, as power as "An Inconvenient Truth", it might be a good idea. We need to sell the concept of "Ethical Depopulation". Having a birthrate solution, while have a 2 child global target. If we could reduce the population by 5% per decade, I think the planet would have a chance.
The planet is going to have to support the needs of not the present, but all future generations going forward, for thousands of years. Preemptive ethical depopulation could prevent a lot of misery and death. It might take 50 years or 100 years, until the real economic and environmental collapse happens, but right now were setting up the perfect storm for that to happen. Overpopulation is the Trojan horse, so don't be on the wrong side of history. By preventing unnecessary births, we're preventing miserable deaths in the future, weather it be plague, economic, environmental collapse, or another world war. It's only a matter of time. Maybe the system will stay intact another 200 years, don't bet on 1000 years. The right thing to do is find ethical ways to depopulate, until the planet can support all generations going forward. Mother nature gets to decide who wins.
I'm on a smartphone, and trying to type a long comment on mobile Busy is a nightmare. Stay tuned for an impassioned rebuttal. Spoiler alert: you're wrong.
Do you access to a computer? It's easier to write.
When I am out and about, no, I don't carry a laptop. Who am I fooling, the audience isn't large enough to write my full screed (was going to be ten times longer). It's going to seem disjointed, because I don't want to take the full time to write the whole thing. Suffice it to say, we're not overpopulated, we're poorly allocated, due to urban hyper-densification initiatives (smart growth, new urbanism, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, forcing people out of the exurbs and suburbs, into hyper-densified cities, to languish in 200 sqft coffin-apartments. The cure for overpopulation is education AND prosperity ("AND"... not "OR"). Couple this with the extreme example of Europe, where high taxes and high cost of living is actually causing their population alarmingly to die off - creating the crisis for the same idiots who caused the problem, to come in and offer the "solution" of importing impoverished, backwards, un-assimilatable cultures from third-world countries to REPLACE the dying population, creating a permanent underclass voting bloc for the left, and destabilizing the host countries. This migrant crisis is CAUSED by globalist policies. By the way, globalists have been implementing forced depopulation programs already, including the Gates Foundation, through forced inoculations that... oh my... have an "Unintended side-effect" of infertility (oh, how unfortunate...). Global depopulation is typical leftist globalist crap. They create worldwide problems through wrongheaded policies, then come in as savior to offer their wrongheaded solutions. Hegelian dialectic in action. The big question about depopulation, is... "Who gets to decide?" The same cabal of people-hating global elite, riding in their carbon-belching private aircraft jetting from one enviro-summit to the next - a global elite that is already manipulating and poisoning us? Yes... and... no thanks. It's important to understand that it's impossible to eradicate global poverty through immigration. The only result, is impoverishing and destabilizing the host nations. This is the kernel of the left. Using force and threat of force to enact leftist goals - individuals be damned, sacrificing themselves on the altar of collectivism. If you want to do a documentary about this, I would recommend that you NOT use Incovenient Truth as a template, as it had a whole host of glaring, inconvenient falsehoods, and fearmongering prognostications (cities flooded by 2015, etc.) The founder of which is a multi-hundred millionaire through his carbon exchange fraud. Something we could all agree on, is the issue of worldwide consumption of plastic. There MUST be something out there superior to plastic that we could start using. Since the global depopulation initiative is the pretty, palatable mask on top of global tyranny (and is merely the pretext for the tyranny), I will fight against it with every fiber of my being, with every gun and every bullet in my arsenal.
You said "Agenda 21" I follow Alex Jones too. You're right a few things. Give me a sec, I like to make a few counter-arguments, but also credit you in areas we agree, and for making a passionate rebuttal.
I think you have been very objective. I'm actually a conservative with an environmental background. I guess as a drone pilot, you develop unique insight for nature, most people don't get an opportunity to see. I agree, there are too many morons running society. You don't deny overpopulation, like the "big money" conspiracy theorist using Agenda 21 to sell books. You're worried about who enacts the policies. You're saying the threat comes from the potential for wrong decisions to be made. I agree with you completely. If we could only figure out ethical ways to stabilize population growth, without the elite hijacking it for their own agenda, it could be a path to progress. Policies on overpopulation could be a disaster in the wrong hands.
Here's where I think you're wrong. I think overpopulation is the biggest environmental concern, because all other environmental issues gets worse when the population increases.
Soil degradation: The overuse of fertilizers and pesticides, gets worse with the increase in the demand for food, because of overpopulation
Climate Change: Weather the data has been manipulated or not, it could be a warning sign about overpopulation. At some point, billions of people industrialized will have an impact on our atmosphere.
Over-fishing: It can cost $30 to a decent sized salmon for dinner. The oceans are running out of fish to feed the people.
Agriculture. About 90% of the midwest region of the United States had been wiped out for farms. If the population continues to grow, we will begin to see the Amazon shrink to make room for new farms.
Plastic in oceans. More plastic is being made, then the ocean can handle.
Price of Lumber: As old-growth forests are removed, it gets more expensive to log the small stuff. When resources such as lumber go up, it's bad for the economy, because people will have less disposable income after overpaying for housing.
Overpopulation can also lead to political instability, a war over resources, and a migrant crisis, leading to cultural chaos.
When you tackle overpopulation, you tackle virtually all environmental problems, because all of them are connected. I think overpopulation has been ignored, because of fear over the concerns you have mentioned.
You're right about the audience being pathetic on Steem. When I posted this on other forums, I got over 1000 views. You take the time to post something unique on Steem, and almost no one even notices it. On a good forum, your reply would of have been seen hundreds of times. I'd love to see a new blockchain made to reward people who debate on a new platform. Gets rid of the bots, and have the rewards directly support those who make good arguments, whether you agree with them or not.
All great arguments you make, and quite level-headedly. I don't deny the overconsumption, overfishing, pollution, etc. If there really is an overpopulation problem, then I just want to see a voluntary way to reduce the population, and not through force. Don't lose hope on Steemit - while flawed (don't get me started on dtube), it's the best future platform to eventually replace facebook (you mean I get paid to post??). What I'm seeing works best, is quality of post, over quantity of post, and the importance of promoting (I invariably either break even or get an ROI when I pay for promotion), plus I get more visibility that way...
I'm routing for Steem 2.0. I would love to make a site like debate.org, that pays people to debate. Absolutely no bots! You have an advanced rating system, to people who actually put the effort into making good arguments, get noticed. I would build a bran new blockchain backed by online shopping. It would provide real financial utility, inject real money into the social media platform. Give 60% back the users, and keep 40% to run the platform. Could you imagine a system where the best content rises, instead of how well you're established. A minnow could easily earn $10 with one good post, instead of 5 cents. I got 22 pages of ideas on how to build the ultimate social media network. There's no way I can build it myself, but I do have the blueprint. I need developers, programmers, and marketers to run with it. I won't be giving it out until I find people I can trust, interested in building a new system. If it ever gets established, i'll invite you to be one of the first members. O yeah, if i give it out, I want to own up to 5% of the platform for helping it get started.
I've been having terrible headaches lately, so it's hard to write. I got a neurological issue that flairs up from time to time. Sometimes If I do sensory deportation it goes away for months. I wrote some bad articles at times, when my pupils were very dilated from the migraines. I got an MRI and there is no brain tumor. It could be a blockage in an artery or some localized hydrocephalus. I sometimes hear cracking in the skull from the pressure differences. Right now, I'm able to focus a little more. Hopefully it goes away again.
My issue with Steem, is it's corrupt. In order to get big, most people have to play games with bots. That's not how it should be. I think i'll be moderately successful on here, bu there is too much income inequality on here. It should be a platform based upon disposable income, where a minnows upvote is worth recognizing. In order to be successful, a lot of people have to cheat with bots. When you look at the total rewards vs the amounts of users, there is extreme poverty on the Steem platform. The developers knew all this, but they kept the loopholes so they could enrich themselves. Social media could be a social safety net for people in remote regions, natives, third world countries, etc. But we don't have enough backbone to do what is right. I say it's better to start building a better system.
I want to give out the idea, but have people smarter than me build and run the platform. I still would need a lawyer, to guarantee myself a fair percentage for helping get it started. I know in the right hands, I got an amazing blueprint to design the ultimate social media platform. Ideas can be stolen, so you got to be careful. I think more creativity comes when people share ideas, and discuss them on the open. Id like to help humanity, while making money off my idea.
Where are you from @remotediscovery ? Just curious.
I'm in Toronto Canada. I have spent a year writing down about 1000 different ideas on how to improve a social media platform. I tried giving the idea to my friend who made $2 Million dollars selling a website in the top 5000, but hes too worn out to take it seriously. He's comfortably making money on a new site, but it's not going to last. He's nowhere near as established as he use too. Alcohol kind of messed him up. If you ever partner with someone, you got to make sure they have loads of energy, and can deliver their passion with discipline.
I'm kind of the brainstorming guy, full of ideas, but I don't have all the resources to get things done. I rather put my ideas into the right hands, and watch them take off. Very few people in this world is are drivin. Steemit does kind of have an entrepreneurial spirit, which is refreshing.
As much as I hate Hillary Clinton I do like her moto "It takes a village". Trump was a bit too decisive and divided the country. It's too bad so many democrats hate us. Hopefully Steemit can be a platform where ideas can be lead to progress in the real world.
If we took bits and pieces of a 1000 minds, we could really see improvement in this world. We have to become less of a copy and paste society and think for ourselves.
As far as the Left Wing, vs Right Wing Debate, my answer an airplane needs both a Left Wing and a Right Wing to get off the ground. It doesn't mean compromise has to be a loss on both sides. Sometimes collaboration can lead to a better outcome than if one side get their way, vs the other.
Right now i'm thinking about the issue of gun control, and the missed opportunities we have to reduce mass shootings. Check out my latest post.