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RE: The Flag, The Down Vote... my semi-frequent update to this idea... hopefully those in favor of the downvote read it

in #flag8 years ago (edited)

Interesting and thanks for the info - I know nothing about coding btw or even what an SJW is.
So what I'm getting from this is that it is possible for a bot to deal with spam and plagiarism, at least to a degree. The main nub of the flagging issue though I think, is that there seems to be absolutely no point in having such a system without moderators. A flag is used to draw someone's attention to it, then make a subjective decision - something a bot can't do. A flag in and of itself, should have absolutely no impact on a post, it is a neutral thing as no decision has been made yet. This seems to be the nub of this issue.
So, who makes the decision in lieu of any moderators? I would say the community should.
I think that this, as someone else said is going to require some out of the box thinking. I think I'll just make some suggestions for others to "pick the bones out of" to get the ball rolling, not fully thought out ideas necessarily requiring feedback.
I think what has been created here has been built around similar not fully thought out ideas, probably based on Libertarian principles. This is fully understandable, however Libertarianism is an untested ideology on this kind of scale. Personally, I'm Libertarian only insofar as my Liberal principles allow, I see many unworkable aspects to this ideology and would maintain that we are seeing them play out here in a "survival of the fittest" way. There can only be one outcome in this environment, a kind of Capitalism on steroids.
We need to keep the ideologies out of this and as far as possible make it equitable for all users.
What we have here is a Wild West situation with no law and order......I suggest we introduce some. I expect that the Libertarians among us first response would be to fight against authority, however if that authority is de-centralised to all users, then this complaint disappears. It already has been accepted that we have a kind of Liberal representative governance in the way the witnesses work. I believe we will actually eventually end up creating such a model here as it appears to be the most equitable and has an inevitability about it. We have plenty of carrots, but no stick......this is a major concern and the root of our troubles I think.
The community already votes for witnesses to perform a particular community task, so how about we introduce a Court system and the community vote for the jurors? The evidence against the worst offenders can be presented transparently in one place.
I would suggest that there are terms introduced to expect users to submit to the Court of their peers. So what about restitution or fines, how would we go about that? Off the top of my head I would suggest that rewards are not immediately paid out but that there is a waiting period of a few days, if nobody brings a case against you then you get paid out, if they do then you await judgement. I believe the reward pool is a separate pot which is paid out weekly - can this be done like this weeks rewards go to last weeks authors? Is it possible to code this?
Lol, anyway, I said it was outside the box.....maybe it will stimulate other ideas and thought processes?
Edit: Actually the jurors should be randomly picked each week to prevent whales voting their mates in......

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The goal of @dantheman and the people making steem is that is should be able to exist without them. Dan is an Anarcho-Capitalist (at least that is the closest fitting label) as am I. That generally is someone that is Libertarian that eventually decides that ultimately we don't need rulers.

That is all fine and dandy, but how do you implement that in code. That is tricky.

The reason to do this is even if you have moderators, they are human, with bias and eventually they too will abuse their position.

So how can you fix this? It is NOT an easy problem, or someone likely would have already done it, yet that is the position that Steemit is in and trying to think of solutions.

Moderators ultimately do not seem to be the answer either. You end up with places they are moderating becoming their subjective kingdoms.

People should never be getting downvoted/flagged for opinion. We don't need that.

Yet how do we insure that is the case?

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