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RE: Next time you want to do an experiment...

in #experiment8 years ago

Bypassing other comments, for the moment... I agree that there's a lack of "scientific methodology" involved here, which one would typically hope for in an experiment.

For me, it raises a question mark on the whole "decentralized" vs. "community building" aspect of Steemit. It's a great concept, but let's not completely throw out the baby (centralized organization) with the bathwater. I've only been here six weeks, but a lot of stuff around here seem like unorganized chaos, with features and tweaks coming in chaotic fits and starts. Methink there might (at least) be some kind of "steering committee" behind moving the community forward.

And if there actually IS one, they are doing a piss-poor job of communicating with the community.

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Not sure where the steering committee would be. I'd expect it would be steemit inc employees, and the top 19 witnesses. This is why voting on witnesses you believe are representing how you want steem/it approached is important.

If anyone has input it is those people.

Then there are of course the whales who through their sheer accumulated steem power and the n^2 curve can completely dominate steemit unless other whales WANT to challenge them.

One thing about this down vote I've been trying to get to others I explained in a reply on another post... here are my examples I gave @merej99 ...

1% is not the same unless the steem power of the whales is identical.
@wang is 1,540Million Vests
@smooth is 5,052Million vests...
In other words Wang's 1% vote was worth 15.4Million Vests applied towards the post. Smooths is 50.52 Million vests. 15.4 - 50.52 = -35.12 Million Vests
In reality @smooth's downvote at 1% was worth 3.28 times as much as @wang.
So @wang voted and then it is as if more than three @wang equivalents came and flagged the post.
Not equal at all and very much screwing up any legit data. I made another post stating how we could do a controlled experiment. That is not what this is.


In reality it is WORSE than my math showed it. That CURVE n^2 people have been referring to makes it so there is not a direct correlation in steem power like my math showed. The difference between @wang 1% and @smooth 1% would likely be even greater than the math I showed you. I told you that @wang voted and then @smooth countered with a vote more than 3 times as powerful as @wang's. It may have been actually worse than that due to the curve.

This is exactly what happened to me. I managed to pick up 6 downvotes. According to steemd.com, the downvotes were as follows:

abit -18,019,851,490,916
smooth -1,010,494,623,757
engagement -422,414,143,516
berniesanders -7,379,281,241
thecyclist -245,377,738,122
nextgencrypto -102,619,770,165

but my top six upvotes were
hendrikdegrote 8,219,277,610,560
jaewoocho 5,372,742,249,385
lafonaminer 2,650,557,916,332
wang 2,310,680,937,121
delegate.lafona 1,316,562,433,153
fyrstikken 105,068,108,918

They weren't just cancelling the whale votes - they were cancelling all the dolphin and minnow votes as well.

Which makes a complete mockery of "lets see what happens when just dolphins and minnows vote"

Also - this thing affects curation rewards for the little person. Even if you were a minnow, it was worth voting manually to see if you could spot a great post at 30 minutes, that would later be picked up by a whale. There is no point bothering now, because each post only seems to earn a dollar, so if you are a really small account, you won't get a curation reward for it anyway. They've broken the entire system.

I expect this experiment to STOP soon. I'm actually trying to have some productive talks with people to see if I can help someway. I am not a powerful steem power person, but I care about this project and the community. Not sure if I can help, but if I can figure out a way that I can, I will.

Abit insists on continuing - and stated that it would be "good" if people start leaving - and smooth apparently agrees with continuing as well. I think other whales should simply stop complying with the requests. This is both a mockery and a failure. When something like this is haphazardly sprung on the community with no defined goals or parameters, and then a large portion of the community says, "this isn't good," then it's time to stop, evaluate where you went wrong, and work to improve the "testing" for the next attempt, if there is one. You don't double down on the stupidity and extend the time frame.

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