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Calhoun, among many others in comparitive psychology, a complete lunatic?

logical fallacy that a utopia could even exist in the first place.

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It's called the utopia fallacy, or nirvana fallacy.
http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-utopian-fallacy/

Also that was obviously a question, indicated by both the phrasing and punctuation.

do you have any data to support your contention?
have you read any history?
do you follow the news?

I was actually just reading the national geographic's timeline of history. I'm mostly into ancient civs.

does that mean you have no idea what you are talking about and now you are trying to divert the conversation?

From your VAST reading of ancient civilatzations and your intense scrutiny of the news.
have you noticed that crime is more prevalent in high density populations?

Take the same NUMBER of people...spread em out..or squish em all up in one place...what happens ...crime wise?

I'm not denying that that's certainly a possible consequence of overcrowding. However, we usually see these types of extreme primacy and even cannibalism in nations of complete dearth, such as Liberia, where people are obviously not having their basic needs met.
This is in stark contrast to Calhoun"s experiment, in which the rats did have their needs attended to.
Had you brought this up in the first place, I would have been more than willing to engage in discourse.

no you wouldn't have.
how bout this..
“to be poor in America is to live a life better than most have lived through history.” Fox put up a graphic that showed the “poorest fifth of Americans are now 17 percent richer than they were in 1967,” according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

utopia by the standards of 99.99 percent of humans who have ever lived.

Yes I would have. You went full ad hominem for some reason and gave no indication of your actual opinion.

The poorest fifth is living on wellfare and food stamps. Part of the criteria for utopia is missing when we consider the crime rates of the areas in which that fifth of people reside.

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