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RE: PLEASE STOP POSTING AND UPVOTING, you're eating into my rewards

in #ethics4 years ago

I'm no pro in the intricacies of Steem economics @logiczombie, and tbh, sometimes it gets rather taxing and stressful to even think about. I will however provide some thoughts because you were kind enough to think of me in a tag, thank you for that.

I relate what I see here to real world economics, it's a digital transposing how I see it, and through the safety net of a screen barrier, you get the privilege (or disposition?) to see what is really going on with the collective human psyche.

Disagreements happen all the time with people, sometimes to the point of volatility. It is understandable to a degree considering the psychopathic morally destitute system we have created for humanity, but how I see it is, why hold grudges and expend so much energy with a "war" mindset?

There's a Steemian here, who I won't call out by name, had a disagreement with me like a year ago, and goes around behind the scenes trying to create issues for me, when I am not bothering the person at all.. not a bit.. Yet, it just doesn't stop. I feel nothing but pity for that person. It is very sad to me. I've had my disagreements with some (you've seen examples), but it's generally short lived, and I really don't like confrontation. I get over it and move on.

People going to the extremes over a grudge, raping reward pool, exploiting, silencing ect ect... really amalgamates with how shit works in this world. Free speech is an interesting topic. True free speech should have no moderation whatsoever, imo, even if 99.99999999 percent of people do not like the topic, any suppression goes against what free speech is about. (of course, just my opinion!)

I'm not sure if I answered this adequately or not, I did my best with my philosophical based thinking.

I hope you're doing alright my friend.

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How does someone "steal" from the "reward pool"?

Doesn't it seem like that would be a systemic design flaw that should be resolved with a systemic fix?

I appreciate your time and consideration.

How does someone "steal" from the "reward pool"?
Doesn't it seem like that would be a systemic design flaw that should be resolved with a systemic fix?

Given the current economics, it's my opinion that vote buying is akin to stealing, because it is off the basis of what "the buyer" feels their content is worth, and not the collective majority. (it also takes some coinage out of everyone else's bucket, somewhat unfairly and selfishly.) Of course this is arguable too, because vote buying is somewhat akin to an ROI based investment so to speak. Many grey areas and varying opinions on this.

I personally do not like the economic structure here, but by participating in it, I am supporting it. Same goes for real world economics. Hard to think free will is such a thing, because those who don't chase the dollar will starve. Unless you obtain the skills and desire to go caveman style out in the woods somewhere.

I appreciate your time and consideration.

Likewise friend. Why payout declined? I wanted to upvote, but consider it a waste of resources to do so (considering the economics..)

!ENGAGE 50

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

I've concluded that the voting system is completely broken and will use delegation as an alternative.

Vote-selling is exactly like buying banner ads (paid-endorsements), which steemit doesn't seem to have the slightest "problem" with (I'd even buy some myself if they let you pay for them with steem).

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

Lol, although I do feel your comments and posts are quality, I am not sure I understand the logic here.

Vote-selling is exactly like buying banner ads (paid-endorsements), which steemit doesn't seem to have the slightest "problem" with (I'd even buy some myself if they let you pay for them with steem).

Great point, but if it's truly "paid endorsement" a user might decline rewards and pay for the promotion, otherwise, it's profitable "paid endorsement" right?

And I don't see many flags on the posts that decline rewards and pay for votes.

I think it's logical to "assume" that not declining rewards, and buying paid endorsement that is profitable, comes with the intent to earn from the paid promotion, otherwise the user would be willing to take a hit to promote their content.

Yeah, many aspects are broken alright, but given how this system works, I do find it hard to envision a perfect system, and that is probably why I'm just a lowly content creator :P

Great point, but if it's truly "paid endorsement" a user might decline rewards and pay for the promotion, otherwise, it's profitable "paid endorsement" right?

If I pay an ex-football-star to sign tee-shirts at my car-dealership next week-end, I expect that's going to be "profitable" right?

But you're not paying an ex foot ball star, you're paying yourself by way of paying for a profitable vote.

Ok, maybe it's more like paying an ex-football-star $1,000.00 to buy a car at my dealership this weekend.

They're going to buy a car somewhere, and if I pay them to buy one from me, is that "unethical"?

I think dealers already do that..."$1000 dollars cash back upon lease signing!", things like that.. The dealer is still making out in the long run, it's a manipulative tactic that gives the buyer a false sense of "savings".

It's not really comparable in my opinion because we have another aspect to consider, and that being the mechanism of limited reward pool and stake weight distribution.

I'll leave you with this my friend:

Back when I was an addict, (and I say it past tense, because I do not subscribe to all of the revolving door rehab principles) I used to get very upset with people who I felt were abusive to me or lacking in compassion, so I would justify relapsing by saying "well no one cares about me, so fuck it I will get high." In this respect, I was hurting myself because of feeling torment over the behaviors of others.

Be kind to yourself friend, you deserve rewards here just as much as the next person, and depriving yourself does nothing to those you don't agree with, they don't give a flying fuck.

Thank you for the conversation :)

By voting for my "payout declined" comments and posts, you are supporting the highest-quality-community-approved-content of the top-earners!!!

Lol, although I do feel your comments and posts are quality, I am not sure I understand the logic here.

When you vote for something that's "payout declined" your contribution goes directly into the "reward pool" which gets distributed to all the posts that make more than $20 steem, with the highest percentage of the pool getting distributed to the top-earners who are providing the highest-quality-community-approved-content!!!

So you're not contributing your steem to me, you're contributing your steem to whoever the whales decide "deserves" your steem (but I still get a small rep boost).

But hey, I still got around it didn't I, with some ENGAGE , so you got rewarded for your time whether you like it or not!!!! 😛

Thanks! Those tokens can't be downvoted out of your hands!!

I get it now, I thought this might be what you mean.

It seems rather sarcastic, directed at the top earners in a bitter way.

Not really sure what to say, but I get where you're coming from to a degree. Still, why not accept rewards? Being bitter about it and declining rewards while spending time to create conversation and content is not really cool in my opinion. It doesn't serve much of a purpose to me.

It's just my opinion man, but by saying that, it's like saying "vote me so you can support all the people I don't agree with", which doesn't really taste good to me.

Just being honest, but I do support your opinion, just not going to upvote on the bases of such sarcasm. It's rather negative to me, and lacking any semblance of positive forward thinking.

Ok, well, thanks for your understanding.

I've already been criticized for my voting habits and accused of "being greedy" (specifically for complaining about downvotes).

So I figured, in order to "prove" I'm not doing this "just for the money", I should go ahead and decline payouts.



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