Women and engineering

in #engineering9 years ago

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This morning I got to work, like many mornings before. Today, during the first ~10 minutes at work all the employees I saw were women. It was curious, as most of the people working in this company are men. However one thing I noticed in myself was that I didn't even try to come up with tasks they might be doing. "Maybe she works in the kitchen, that one girl is maybe a secretary and the third one is from marketing" - how could I know if they all weren't engineers?

The example thougts, which I didn't have myself, are way too common. Quite many engineer women I know have met people questioning their profession. Even though the stereotypical engineer is a man and most assume (or know) most engineers are men, nobody needs to question women who are engineers only because they are women. Neither should their real profession be questioned, as stereotypes are not the whole truth, even if they are based on real things.

Even though most engineers are men, it doesn't change the fact there are woman engineers. Just like most men are taller than 175cm/ 5'9", it doesn't mean men shorter than this don't exist.

Some background about where our personality and thoughts come from

Our aims and goals are determined by many factors. Theree are studies which indicate that boys and girls have differences in what they want and what they do even when they are babies. We can't assume men and women think the same way, not only on individual level, but on general. However, this won't restrict women and men from being different than the majority. There can be huge amounts of women who are different from the average woman and the average differences between men and women aren't restricting them.

Which is more important, we shouldnt' make the mistake to name all the average differences between men and women as genetic differences. We grow and educate boys and girls differently. We treat them very differently. We advice them to do very different things... typically based only on their sex.

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However, sometimes the different ways to act with boys and girls come from the childrens nature. If a boy and girl happen to be interested in different things, they shouldn't be forced to do the exact same things. However, if a boy or a girl wants to do something else than others boys and girls they shouldn't be forced to be like the others. Taking account the individual differences in children and people is important, even though sometimes the individual differences aren't very big ones.

Individuality of children isn't forcing people outside the natural and general mindset. If a boy wants to build with construction blocks, he should be allowed to do that. If a girl wants to play with dolls, she should be allowed to do that. In some cases, children are banned from playing with toys they want and forced to use the stereotypical toys of the other sex is typically playing with. This is as bad (or worse) than forcing all the boys and girls to be like others with skipping their individual differences.

But now, back to the subject.

Women can be as good or better engineers than men are. It's not up to their sex. There are no reasons why they couldn't be more women who worked as engineers. There are studies which show that children who are told they are worse in math do worse in math, underestimating boys and girls skills in math will only decrease their skills in the future too. Lying to children that they are good - if they aren't - isn't a way to go, but finding encouraging ways to teach children mathematics and science can do good for us individually and as a society.

The math skills are not alone getting anyone interested in engineering or science, but lack of them might kill the interest. There are also many other kinds of ways we can kill anyones interest in engineering or science. One of them is disrespecting people who are interested in becoming and being an engineer.

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Engineering shouldn't be made pink or specially woman friednly, but the disrespect of women and insulting and suspecting woman engineers only because of their sex will kill the interest in science in a multitude of women. We can make fun of each other, laugh and question each other, but we should respect each other and understand each others individualities.

The magic trick isn't to treat women and woman engineers differently, it's stopping to treat them differently in a disrespectful way. Telling women "You have to be an engineer" or "You can't be an engineer" are neither fine, as we should be seen as individuals. Not as a part of your fantasies seeing "50% men 50% women" scenarios (falsely called equality) or "All engineer should be men".

In a perfect society, in which woman engineers are not disrespected for their sex, we are unlikely to see a "50-50" situation, but the perfect situation is when our ability to do any work isn't decided based on if we are either men or women.

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You can't force anyone to be an engineer, but you should let them be if that's what they want

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This is not yunk, this is very well written! :)

And you are right, respect is the key...

Haha, thanks :) Yunk is all of us and we all should yunk.

Respect and the disrespect make a great difference in our lives.

Well I still find yunk to be confusing, maybe there needs to be an explainer video created for it XD

Yunk is a.. phenomenon on Steemit. It's about welcoming strangers and friends, being good and kind to others and supporting and cheering each others. Yunk should be a positive thing and we all should look for the yunk inside us.

Yunk should affect all parts of our lives, not only on narrow scale.

(Yunk should not be mixed up with @yunkzilla even though most yunkers support @yunkzilla as a witness, but @yunkzilla is not alone yunk, but only yunk amongst us all)

Best explanation to date. Thank you :D

I like the idea but I would like to comment on the conclusion

In a perfect society, in which woman engineers are not disrespected for their sex, we are unlikely to see a "50-50" situation, but the perfect situation is when our ability to do any work isn't decided based on if we are either men or women.

We are unlikely to see it, but the tendency, given a big enough population would return a value very close if there were no cultural encouraging and discouraging methods, as well as we wouldn't see job cleavages (jobs for men/jobs for women)

I can see your point and if we could get the "cultural guidance" from steering people on certain professions or away from others based on if they are men or women, we could see a real difference in the current ratio of men and women in different jobs.

However, as far as I know there are some "genetic differences" in the brains of most men and women. I don't know how big differences they and as there are individual differences in us all, how well the differences can be generalized?
I believe they have effect on some level which will affect the ratios of men and women in different fields, but I'm not sure how big differences there will be? It can even be 50-50, or closer to 55-45, 60-40 or maybe even as big differences as 60-30 or such.

The important thing though is that nobody should be disencouraged to reach out for what he or she wants. We can't force anyone to be interested about some professions so we should stop discouraging them from being interested.

Sorry for making such a long reply.

Completely see your point, but some professions have changed the genre preference during history, based mostly on the status position of that profession or the acceptance. We have plenty of women in the medical sector (practice and research) because it was a sector in which they were already accepted and the jump has been easier, btw, not all the engineering jobs require the same type of intelligence.
And we are not speaking about physical differences were statistics show very clear differences, engineering is not a job in which you need to have small hands or need to move big weights. So the main component of the current situation is a purely cultural one.

Culture has "guided" men and women into proper professions through times, even nowdays in different cultures you have different "typical jobs" for men and women. In some cultures, secretaries are seen as women but in some other, a typical secretary is a man, as one example. It's purely a cultural thing and the main reason there are such differences in what kind of tasks men and women work nowdays.

Nowdays most jobs are suitable 100% for men and women and even though we can't force the culture to change, we can try changing mindsets of individuals and thus change the culture in a longer time.

Sure. But it is a cultural thing "guiding" women to less salary and status positions, of course that in western countries most men and women doing same job are earning the same, but the problem is the access barrier. This generates a salary and power gap.

I'm not disagreeing with you :)

I guess how i look on all things is that men and women are in the core a diff culture. Yes i agree with everything u said. But i think the issue nowdays is not so much women issues but males ones. I can't help to shake the thought that men are losing their role in this world. I never had issues with equality - I don't belive in it :). When someone says I'm better at this then you are, I'm stronger, I'm smarter etc. No issues. You wanna chop wood? Oh babe, be my guest, ull do it faster and better for sure. I have no need to fight for rights that I won't need or don't want anyway. But there is stuff i'm better at...let me do em.

So yes...equlity is super fine on paper. Yes having the opportunity is super fine too and yes there will always be exceptions to the rule. But while we fight for our rights and who does what better and whos anatomy is better fit to do...we forget....the solution is simple and it always worked. I belive in coexistence.

An old physic professor i had in college said: in the near future the most vunerable beeing will be a white straight man. I didnt give it much thought back then. But following and looking at the events now....can't you say he was a bit right?

Now all i have to wait is to be stoned for stating all this...and sorry if i got a bit carried away. :)

I'm somewhat of MRA, men have great issues nowdays which trample them down and the majority aren't taking these issues seriously. White straight men are seen as "superpowered" and their worries a threat to others who have issues. Being aware of the issues of us all, however, is never a harm.

The main point in the post can be expressed short: being a man or a woman should not determine what you should do. If you meet a 40kg 150cm man, you won't make him carry heavy things. If you meet an extremely talented woman in maths, you don't make her to become a nurse if she wants something else etc.

However forcing women and men to do equal amount of everything won't work. I chop wood in our family most of the time because I am faster :)

..seems im somewhat of MRA too. And yes...

being a man or a woman should not determine what you should do.

But also...beeing a woman or a man with no skill, doesnt mean you get a right to do something u suck at. :)) And thats the main point for me...when you break it down. Dont matter the gender or background....but the skill or simply beeing good at what you do (whatever may it be).

Good point :) And if you want to do something you are bad at, do it alone at home!

My cousin is hot and she is an engineer. I betcha she would enjoy this post @apsu.

PS. She bakes cupcakes. :)

I do hope so and I bet I would enjoy your cousin I do like cupcakes too :)

Is she on Steemit?

lol! very funny! Nope, she doesn't have time to blog coz she's busy being an engineer. lol!

What, a busy engineer? I'm an engineer and I have time being here ;)

you're prolly a big boss in your firm. :D

Nah, actually I've had few quite busy days but it depends on the day. Some days are more work, others are less work :)

It's still fun every day!

Kudos coz you enjoy your job! I wanna see mochi bread article in your blog. :D

I wrote this post in a timeframe of 5 hours, working and going to lunch in between of writing a bit every now and then, so if you see any crazy stuff in this, please comment before getting upset. I might have written something completely wrong.

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