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in #education7 years ago (edited)

I grew up on the outskirts of farmland in Australia. One story I remember from my farmer friends some may find interesting.

Another day in country Australia

My friend had found an old 125 motorbike in one of their sheds that required repair and he and another friend decided to get it running again. Farm kids are smarter than city kids in many ways and this was a relatively easy fix for them.

One summer day, they were riding the bike together along the bigger roads in the middle of nowhere when they were waved over by a local policeman doing his rounds. They pulled to the dusty side as the policeman got out of his car and dawdled towards them.

Now, if you will picture this a moment. These two 13 year old boys were sitting there on a paddock basher bike having just been pulled over by the police. The rider had a 303 slung across his back, the pillion a 202 on his, plus a shotgun across the lap.

The policeman, looked over the situation and calmly asked, "Hey boys, is this bike registered?"

Being 13 of course meant that they had no licence to ride it but, it was also unregistered which they told. The policeman nodded and said, "Keep it off the main roads then." He returned to his car and drove away.

Firearm etiquette

Now, this was in 1991, pre- Port Arthur massacre and the strict laws that come along directly after. If it had been 5 years later, this story would not have been possible.

Some will say that two 13 year old's with 3 guns between them on the back of a bike should not be possible at all but, there it was. What did their parents think of the behavior? Well, they had bought them the guns.

The interesting thing is with this is that although uncontrolled, my friends had been taught to be very safe. At 13 they knew about shooting lines and had been taught correct trigger discipline from a young age. They were patient shooters and decent trackers and made a little cash working the local farms, removing pest animals.

The Quick and the well...

I myself am not a gun person but I am a gun advocate. However, I do not think that anyone and everyone should have access to firearms. It wouldn't make me feel safe if everyone had a pistol on their hip as frankly, I do not trust everyone and there are many people that do not live the 'don't be a dick' philosophy.

But, banning guns in most cases is going to lead to stockpiling and a whole lot of arguments. In my opinion, they need to forget the outlawing of firearms and start the education and the first step would be to change 'Gun control' to 'Gun safety.'

Control is an authoritative term that says 'we are going to take your guns' whereas gun safety is an educational stance that says, 'since you have guns, let's learn how to use them correctly'.

I don't think anyone in any 'normal' place is against gun safety as must don't want to be in a scene from the Quick and the Dead in their home or neighborhood unless it is the scene with Sharon stone and Russell Crowe when he is handcuffed.

Maybe some rules?

I do not know about the Amendments and the like in the US but I do know that there are responsible and irresponsible ways to approach gun ownership. There should be a wait time for guns, there should be a permit that must be renewed relatively often, there should be membership at a gun club and frequent testing for pistol ownership as no farmer needs a pistol to take care of the farm.

Every gun owner should have to go through safety courses before getting a permit for the first time and inheritance guns should have to be registered and to maintain ownership, get licensed. There should also be a gun safe or some technological solution to stop children accidentally firing a gun (this is 2017 after all, the tech exists).

This seems like a lot of rules but if those that want gun ownership to be available, there must be some kind of commitment to maintaining responsibility and keeping firearms out of the hands of people who are not going to use them responsibly.

This of course does not stop black markets and intentional gun deaths but may save many innocent lives and stop toddlers shooting their siblings or parents.

I don't want people carrying guns on the street as I cannot guarantee that they have had adequate training. I cannot guarantee that the police have had adequate training either. I have been to some countries where the police are carrying mp5s and the like and it makes me uncomfortable especially as it is often in the most corrupt and poorly run countries. I am assuming trigger discipline may not have been high on the training agenda.

What a tool

I do not know if all the things here are suitable or if more or less is needed. But, I was always raised to fear guns and taught that they are weapons that should not exist but I have come to learn that they are tools like any other and like any tool, it is impossible to control how one uses it.

I am guessing that when most carpenters pick up a hammer, they aren't thinking of bludgeoning someone to death with it even though the tool itself is quite capable, and most doctors aren't using their stethoscope tube to strangle their patients to either.

I think it comes down to the responsibility of the individual and I will always push for that. Rather than take away guns, educate well so people will make good decisions with their firearms and understand themselves well enough to recognize when it is time to remove the firing pin and lock it away in the safe.

I would be interested to read some views on this and I know for some, this is a touchy subject.

The pictures I stole from my brother @galenkp who is competition long-range shooter by hobby. With his permission of course. If you are interested in this kind of thing, please give him a follow as he gets into the specifics of it at times.

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Interesting observations. You're right, licensing and registration is important. Training as well. The further we go in the direction of gun control the further away we go from teaching people how exactly to use the firearm. Taking guns out of the hands of unsafe users doesn't make them safe users and for those that can't get a gun legally well...We all know they can be obtained illegally. Most often illegally-sourced firearms are banned ones too!

No firearm ever jumped up of its own accord and committed a massacre, or even a single shooting for that matter. 100% of the time there was a person at the other end of it. Education is the key.

You mentioned the police. About a year ago a psychiatric patient escaped and was brandishing a knife in a mall. He started to run (away) but in the direction of a cop. At some 10-15m distance she pulled her sidearm, "aimed" and shot 4 bystanders. There's a government endorsed gun-carrier in action for you. Pathetic.

Cops must shoot once a year to maintain their permission to carry, and most are not gun owners privately. I shoot my pistol a minimum of 6 times a year (it's the law), most often about 20 times a year. Who do you think knows more about their firearm and how to use it safely and with accuracy.

So, yeah...Good post. Guns and gun related topics often get unbalanced responses. Pro or against. Well, there is certainly everything in between, it's not just black and white....Pink or blue...Umm, whatever the hell colour that is politically correct these days...Those shoppers shot by that idiot cop were probably happy the cop drew her sidearm to protect them, but amazingly became anti-gun when she so stupidly missed and hit them instead of the perpetrator.

Interestingly in Finland where there are very few police shootings and very few police shooting deaths, to become a cop is a multiple year degree (3 i think). I do not know about all of the firearm training but this is also a country that has compulsory military for all boys and one of the highest gun ownership per capita percentages in the world.

Even the other day when there was the knife attack here, they shot the guy in the leg and took him to hospital. People complained they should have killed him but that is not their judgement to make. They look to restrain and since he had a knife and they Glocks, it isn't too hard generally.

All police should be trained accordingly as should all gun owners.

Compulsory military service. Now you're talking. A great idea for young people.

It works for Israel, right? Not a terrible idea for other countries to follow...

Oh yeah, before I forget to add my point of view, I'm in favor of gun education over gun "control"!

Good to hear. :)

That was a good post cobber. Thanks Matt.

How evil are you even considering kicking squirrels? If I had a fire extinguisher...

Yes, this is the issue, they are tools and people are evil, stupid, complacent, lazy and bad things are always going to happen. trying to protect people by limiting them is unlikely to ever lead anywhere good. If with some magic wand, one could educate people to understand themselves and take responsibility for themselves, there is no one to blame, but themselves.

HAH! Responsibility is so 10 years ago. Ain't nobody got time for that in these times. Give me everything because I deserve it, what the hell does earning something even mean you old fart!

Sorry.. I'll stop the sarcasm..
Self Responsibility is a value that needs to be instilled at a young age. So many parents have failed in this teaching. I can only hope that we haven't created an irreversbile trend of disrespect and low morals.

Morals and responsibility are not highly valued traits these days. For old buggers like me (47) that's an issue. Ah fuck it, hand me my silver platter and let everything simply fall on it!

I'm only 30, but can I get that silver platter too!?! Haha, thanks for the laugh :)

Ummm, didn't you guys vote in Trump? ;)

But haven't you seen that guy debate!? He's the best. I mean the best at debating. If there was the most best debater, it would be Trump! I can't even begin to tell you all of the people who agree with me on this. Trust me the debates were all in Trumps favor. It was HUGE!

Do you have anything to check?

Umm Yes, here are my respect and morals, I won't be needing them on this trip.

Haha, very nice :)

Weapons control has been a contentious issue in the more decentralized parts of human civilization. In the authoritarian East, government monopoly of violence and the tools of violence is unquestioned by the peasantry. I think the issue of weapons control is an indirect discussion of the degree of centralization in the governing polity.

During the Medieval era, the prevalence of weapons were problems for governing officers of cities. The rule was for all travelers entering a city to check-in their weapons at the nearest inn or government office; within the city-limits, no weapons were allowed, as the city guards could reasonably guarantee the safety of the citizenry.

Modern-day weapons control policies need to be as sensible as the Medieval era social norms. The rural areas are not densely populated cities and different degree of weapons control is needed as opposed to urban areas. The problem of weapons control seems to be modern centralized government's hubris in attempting to dictate one policy for disparate areas.

I live in a city and have multiple guns. I don't need them for working a Farm, animal control etc. I have them because it's my hobby. I'll not turn them in. Cars cause many deaths, maybe city people should turn them in also?

That city/rural thing doesn't quite work when it comes to gun control. Of course there are classs of firearm (here in Australia) that only Primary Producers (farmers) can obtain. That's reasonably sensible.

It would have been interesting back to the Middle Ages though. Sure, check my broadsword, dirk, war axe, lance, staff and morning star in at the city gates, but when not in the city it was pretty much do as you please huh? Slaying and cleaving with impunity generally. :) Kind of like Game of Thrones style.

Seriously though, the issue of gun control/regulation/education is a complex one. I don't think a steemit post can quite do it justice other than to bring attention to it.

I think what @soo.chong163 is talking about is the carrying component. You are unlikely to walk down Rundle Mall with a rifle slung across your shoulders and would likely feel less than safe if every man and his dog was doing so.

Have you ever been hunting with someone you don't trust?

Fair point.

Yes, which I kind of alluded to in the opening story. If the same boys had been riding their bike through the nearby town or Adelaide city, it would not have resulted in an 'on your way' from the police. The reactions from any citizens who observed them would be vastly different also.

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