O M G !!!
Are you serious?
The only case where climate change and man made global warming are not 100% interrelated was if we all live in the matrix.
Seriously, what is going on with you guys?
In what kind of science are those guys you are following experts? Where is their scientific work or proof?
Actually it would be much easier to make money just burning our world instead of building a business on green energy.
Why would anybody with a clear mind do the extra miles (and unfortunately also often very unprofitable miles) necessary to go green if not for altruistic reasons?
Please guys, before you all wake up in 10 years and have the worst regret of your life, spent 15 minutes on this site:
and check your "experts'" arguments.
PLEASE!
If u have any interest or an open mind u can read this very comprehensive article
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/global-warming-globalist-propaganda-trillion-dollar-year-anant-goel
Hi Alex,
first of all I am grateful that we can have a respectful and open discussion here.
You are right, everything should be questioned and constantly checked.
But the basics of thermodynamics and the behavior of radiation with different wavelength crossing greenhouse gases is a very very clear thing that is 100% scientific basic knowledge.
If this would not work as described by science the earth would be as cold as the moon an inhabitable.
Again, it is all very clearly described here: https://skepticalscience.com/
And where I have to say I am getting angry is citing Gregg Braden here. I mean this guy.. I just made the effort and watched the video... his charts are close to outright scam...
It is again described here: https://skepticalscience.com/ in the Q+A section, just browse the site.
Just randomly referring to this medieval ages chart: What he did: He selected a very short period of time (since 0 ) and he ended it in the 1930s... If he would have added temperatures until 2017 we are already at +1 degree... so even in his crappy chart it would be literally off the charts... and even in a very steep curve...
I do not know where you took the wrong corner... (at least IMHO) but this might help you to get the science base back in your global warming thoughts. https://skepticalscience.com/
i WILL read from that website.. forsure.. i already had a little look
its been a VERY long two day i must tell you, mostly on facebook so i am running out of steem now (excuse the pun)...
Gregg is not a scam artist so far as i know.. and presenting data is incredibly easy to do badly.. either intentionally or not..
the MAIN take home message from that video though was not really about the least 50 years but more about the last 500,000 years.. which is that CO2 has 'traditionally' always lagged temperature rise by around 1000 years,, and has never preceeded it.. So the last 50 years is not really relevant to this.. His other main point was that the sun really does direct and dictate our climate..
SO just want to make sure that much is clear..
i AM VERY HAPPY to be wrong mate.. the main problem for me is that i cannot take anyone seriously who proposed compensation without reduction. To me climate change goes hand in hand with Sustainability.. and whilst i see NO efforts in the direction of sustianability and all this focus on compensation i will continue to be very skeptical. Also, i really dont like how the third world and developing countries have to pay through the teeth for this whilst they had almost nothing to do with the problem .. oh man, the list goes on..
anyways,, im VERY tired now, and fully appreciated your calm tone and civilised manner! as i say im very happy to be wrong, and until very recently have preached the global warming story for 17 years!! xx
as you are tired I will give you the shortcut: https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
in one sentence: he is completely wrong again.. and this is mainly due to the fact that climate science is not simple at all.. and he "forgot" some major facts...
but your response is very interesting and in one hint bang on:
This whole idea of compensation and carbon credits/trading was set up with good intentions but converted to a money machine and at the end did not bring the desired effects.. at least for those who did not just want to make money with it.
I had very good insights into this complex already since the early 2000's and for me it was clear from the beginning, that this would definitely not be the best solution. Add to that criminal behavior of man and you end up with a pretty bad leaking ship.
As long as the free or liberal market is the foundation for our economic system the only thing that really would work is a global carbon tax.
But just imaging proposing a global carbon tax (with a high amount that really has a regulating function) to the US, China and India... here you go...
And for course people who with or without that tax voluntarily tune down their carbon footprint.
And: "if it really was so bad the global elites would take strong action" is not an argument at all as egomaniac stupidity is equally distributed between the rich and poor, literate and non literate, clever and stupid.
As a person that has very high ethical standards it is amazing time and time again for how little money some are willing to sell their soul.
There is a lot of evidence, but u have to look at it! I shared some in a previous post! Very widely accepted evidence that demonstrates what im saying.
I appreciate its hard to believe when faced with fear and massive media propaganda.. but its only about money to them.
Did u speak with scientists to say they all agree? Uts simply not true, I have plenty of evidence to show u how many scientists do not agree, and how many have been misquoted and misrepresentaled.
There IS a case against man madr global warming, a very strong and rational case.
Nothing in life is 100%, especially with hidden agendas that we know nothing about!
Debate is what is imprtant, open honest debate based on facts and due diligence l. In dont read the news and accept it, i check it out and try to confirm it.. the science of climate is so complex that we cannot even predict the weather one month ahead let alone 12 Years. There are more variables than u can shake a stick at, and if u miss just one that u hadnt considered it can throw everything off! That is why anyone whonis 100% sure is NOt a good scientist!
Bear in mind im a sustainable development activist , was the first to promote carbon foorptinting, and am not some gas guzzling freak who is against anything eco! It took me a very long time to u turn my opinions, based on a lot of reading and understanding the many issues!
Oh and just for fun and frolics, we DO live in the matrix!!!