Children and Smartphones: The Ecotrain Question of the Week

in #ecotrain6 years ago

Should parents set a minimum age or some restrictions for their children to own a smartphone, and if so what would they be?

This is the ecotrain question of the week, and ooooooh boy! It’s a doozy! I reckon I might ruffle some feathers on this one, but, well, won’t be the first time. Most of you know I’m a passionate unschooler and was formerly a founder and staff member of a Sudbury school in Asheville, NC. I’ve written a fair amount about unschooling and children’s rights, and many of you, perhaps, know that freedom is a key cornerstone of my philosophy.

Very simply, my answer is this.

If you can afford to buy the phone, you can have the phone.

It’s kind of tempting to just end the post there. I think it might be helpful, though, to dig in a bit to how I got to that philosophy and also “a few, um, provisos and quid pro quos” (~The Genie from Aladdin). I have let my children play on my phones/tablets under varying degrees of supervision and for varying lengths of time since they were pretty small. Mostly I take it back if I need it or see it’s being abused.

We are pretty poor. By that I mean really poor. That’s changing, but it’s been that way for a good long while. My smartphone was stolen two years ago, and I haven’t been able to afford another one. In any case, I have never had the kind of money where I would actually buy a phone or tablet or gaming system or anything like that for them. I have other financial priorities, and Christmas and travelling are both on the list above anything like that, not to mention food and bills. So, even when the older ones were little, I told them I wouldn’t be buying any Playstation or xbox or Wii or phone. If they wanted it, they had to figure out how to manifest it. They would gather up their resources - money from grandparents and other relatives for birthday and christmas. They would save until they had enough. Then they started selling older systems and games as part of their fundraising. I always felt they were learning multiple wonderful things in this process, and I very happily removed myself from the middle. This also makes the prospect of something being lost or destroyed totally not my problem. Parenthood is hard. Gotta ease the burdens where we can. Oh, and, you know, personal responsibility.


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When they got old enough to be left home alone, they did get a phone. That, I feel, is a safety issue. It was never broken or lost, but if it had been, they would have had to pay it back or work it off.

I know there is this concern about kids on smartphones. I understand that’s a big piece underlying this question. I think technology, like almost everything else on this earth, has benefits and drawbacks. I think I probably spend too much time on this screen I’m looking at right now. It is what it is, but I have to feel the feedback on my own and learn to tighten up my boundaries. I think kids are also capable of finding this balance for the most part. Of course it’s not easy for them. It’s not easy for most of us, either. I believe we have to trust, though, they will find their way. So much easier when you’re still under the care of mom and dad and not having to pay rent when you figure these things out. I understand there are exceptions for SPD, autistic, and asperger’s kids. I’m pretty sure we probably have one child with SPD, but tech luckily doesn’t seem to be one of his triggers.

The truth, I believe, is kids aren’t any more addicted to any of this stuff than we are. They are, however, under other people’s control, and anyone who has ever had or known a child knows the battle is always in the power struggle. I honestly don’t think they are fighting addiction. I believe they are fighting for control over their own lives. My children have been playing with smartphones since I had to take them away because they were putting them in their mouths. They have always had free reign to watch as much tv as they want, only limited by sharing with others in the family. They both have their own tablets (bought by nana, of course). I would say my son spends maybe 45 minutes a day on average on the tablet, some days none, some days a couple hours. My daughter spends far less than that. They watch maybe two hours of tv or youtubes a day on average. Today, they’ve watched zero so far. The rest of the day, they are playing with toys, inventing games, or running outside. I would guess my parents will probably give them an old phone in the next couple years. I think it very likely they will spend more time on those devices through their teenage years than they do now. I know I watched tv and talked on the phone a lot through my teenage years. I hardly ever do either of those things now. My oldest played a shit ton of video games through his teen years. He just sold his playstation and all his games. He works, hikes, plays guitar with his friends, and goes to music festivals. He just didn’t need it anymore. I think we all find our way through, especially when we’re gentle with ourselves and give ourselves permission to work through it organically. I see zero reason why children should be treated differently. I simply refuse to see them as incapable or broken.

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My sweet boy

Now, this is my philosophy, and it has been for a long time. I have a lot of parenting years under my belt. My committment to my children has always been my primary focus. In no way do I think I have it all figured out. I also believe every family needs to do what works for them. I have been verbally assaulted by a lot of people for my parenting choices, and I would never do that to another. You gotta do you. If it would make you nuts to allow your young child on a smartphone, draw that boundary. Martyrdom parenting is bullshit. I’m simply here to share my beliefs and offer support for those who may be leaning this direction but aren’t sure why or how it could work. Of course I think I’m right, but that doesn’t mean I think I’m right for your family. What I’m trying to say is that I wasn’t trying to offend anyone who chooses differently, and i don’t think people are wrong for choosing differently. Ok, well I think some people are wrong, but that’s a different post. I know I get passionate sometimes (ok, all the time), but I love and support every parent who gives a shit and is really trying to do their best for their child.

As always, all pics are mine or pixabay unless otherwise noted.

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Don't have anything to add to this, you got it covered mama.

They can borrow mine only if we're on a road trip. They can own one if they can buy it.

We have old PCs they can use to do school work and learn typing, photo editing, video editing etc.

I'm going to have to wait and see when my children are old enough to go out by themselves. There might not be smartphones by then.

Children are very capable and learn so fast. My son @futurefarmers is already figuring out shortcut keys hahaha I usually use Ctrl+F and he says, use F3.

What shortcuts are we talking about and where can I learn them?

hahaha when I'm on a browser and I need to find a word i use Ctrl+F for Find. My son says, just press F3 mom.

I'm not sure where he found it. He said he was just pushing the function keys and figured out it was a shortcut for find.

Nice. I pick up new tricks all the time.

I think it's super important for them to have to buy their own things. They take way better care of them that way too.
Kids are always so quick with technology. Even my daughter who isn't really into tech knows so much more than I do.

This is an important issue that all parents need to think about. We too have allowed our children to enjoy electronic devices. As parents, we need to make sure we do not allow devices to become babysitters. I think that it is also important to talk to our kiddos about the downfalls of any digital addiction (lack of exercise, exposure to crude photos and videos, etc)

I really appreciated this line:

The truth, I believe, is kids aren’t any more addicted to any of this stuff than we are.

So true. Thanks for the thought-provoking​ post.

Thanks so much for the comment. I agree that open and honest conversation is so crucial, especially when we can be honest about our own challenges. The babysitting thing is funny because sometimes I will try to convince them to watch a show or a movie, but they often have zero interest because when they're allowed to watch they don't want to.

When we got to that age with the older kids, we had serious conversations about porn, chat safety, etc. It's hard to overemphasize how important that is.

this is a brilliant answer and one I totally agree with , not sure how I'm going to write mine now you have covered so much, I love hearing you talk about the faith you have in your kids and yes why should they be treated differently to us

Martyrdom parenting is bullshit

agree 100% love it and your straight up honest and raw truth, we all got to stay true to ourselves at the end of the day.xx

Great minds! That's why I never read anyone's answer before I write. It's hard to resist, but I have to.
I see so many martyr parents, and it's just sad for both parent and child. I read a comment one time on a fb unschooling group from a woman who was talking about letting her child beat on her computers and phone because she wanted to let her child explore her interests. I was like, um, really?! For me the risk is always not getting time to myself.

I was a big believer in waiting until the child was a certain age to have a phone.

Now that my oldest is home-schooling, I don’t care if her grandparents and her work something out for her to have one. I’ll even pay for extra whatever and add her to the family plan - once she figures out how to get the device.

I think school adds a whole new host of considerations when it comes to phones.

However I DID ban YouTube from my house and that cured a whole lot of ailments I was dealing with. Mostly the want disease. Those toy opening videos are shit.

Oh my gosh, is this Discord? I'll put a thumbs up on this

Those toy opening videos are shit.

Haha yes... those darn toy opening videos! What the heck?!

I don't have children but it I don't think we can stop children getting their hands on smart phones one way or another. Nice to hear your personal stories on this subject

Thanks. I agree. I think familiarity with technology is actually important. they're probably only going to become more important.

You are clearly raising amazing kids who are independent and smart about their own choices.

I honestly don’t think they are fighting addiction. I believe they are fighting for control over their own lives.

I totally agree!!! And I agree we have to treat them as the smart individuals they are. Did you read my response? Xxx

How gorgeous is your boy! And how lucky they are to have you as a fabulous Mum. Money and devices have nothing to do with that, for sure!!!! 💗💗💗💗

Aww. Thank you! I think he's super handsome too!!
I absolutely agree that children are far smarter than people realize. I haven't read your response yet, but I hope to do a bunch of reading tomorrow. I'm sort of wiped out today.

It can take a while to catch up... know how you feel!!! I have been tryimg to catch up for an hour now but i havent tpuched the surface and must get up and enjoy the day!!

I know. i'm in super slow motion today too. My brain's in a fog.

Aww. Thank you! I absolutely agree that children are far smarter than people realize. I haven't read your response yet, but I hope to do a bunch of reading tomorrow. I'm sort of wiped out today.

aweeee. you are awesome! really good to read this post.. and see how with a good solid loving mother that kids can be responsible and make their own choice..

i think you are right too. parents are just as if not more addicted to smartphones than their kids! how ironic..

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Thank you so much, @eco-alex!! I certainly give mothering my best go and see it as the most important thing in my life.
It always strikes me when I see a parent typing on a device talking about how kids are so addicted to devices. It's kinda like when you see a mom at a park smack a kid on the butt for hitting and yell, "no hitting!" Ummmmm? Oh, the disconnect.

This is so important, in this day and age, to figure out how much internet and technology to allow, and how to do it in a SAFE way.
My kids dont have smartphones. They dont need one. I would consider giving my oldest a phone, (for when he does activites away from home), but he doesnt even want one. (He is 14.) Even then, it doesnt have to be a smartphone. There are flip phones and such that are great for emergency contacts without unfettered access to the internet.
We have a landline phone at home, so the kids can always contact me if I leave them alone.
They DO have tablets. The time on these is restricted, and they all have internet restrictions as well. IF they need to use the internet to do searches and whatnot, well, I have a computer in the living room they can use, under supervision. I trust them, but its just that an innocent search, even with filters on, can bring up pictures and articles that are super inappropriate.

Sounds like you have your mama methods figured out and are doing a fantastic job! ♥

We have had lots of conversations with the older children about chat safety and my feelings about porn and other things. I agree this is incredibly important. Right now the younger ones only play games on their tablets and don't ever get on the internet except to watch youtubes on my husband's computer, and since they can't type or spell yet, we have to put it in for them. Once they're on internet, I will probably put some filters on their to prevent stumbling on something awful.

And thank you! Sounds like you're doing an awesome job too. I always think the most important thing is that parents care enough to think about these things and do their best for the kids they love.

Thanks! ♥
I agree, that's what's most important. We all have different ways of doing things and handling situations, but as long as we are doing it lovingly with the children's best interests at heart, then it's all good. ♥

I totally agree.

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You said everything I wanted to. So proud of your parenting strategies and yeah I plan to ask my son to figure out a way for his phone too when he wants one.

Thanks! I think it's one of the best parenting decisions I ever made. They learned so many wonderful things from having early monetary responsibilities. I think my son was probably 7 or 8 when he started saving up for his first video game system.

Thanks! I think it's one of the best parenting decisions I ever made. They learned so many wonderful things from having early monetary responsibilities. I think my son was probably 7 or 8 when he started saving up for his first video game system.

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