I'm going off what you said. "As for the absolute truth? We are not ready for it and shouldn't be given this information yet". Just curious.
But to the question as to why we deserve it? Idk.Technically I don't think we deserve anything. We've done nothing to even be alive period. But we just are. So many things we have that we did nothing for. Me personally I feel the same about absolute truth. Also who or what is to give us this absolute truth? I'm just asking since you mentioned the word given.
I was unaware of your definition for Absolute Truth until I read your reply to another comment. That definition changed things a bit. I accept your definition, as it helps to clarify the question quite well.
We do know some absolute truths like, math and look what we did with that! You know, like created the A and H-bombs. Also, absolute truths, which there are many we know are separate from the Ultimate Truth, which is what I was referring to...
Ahh I see. Ok yea we have definitely found a way to screw things up or misuse them. Ok so let's go with the Ultimate Truth. Who or what do you think is to give us this Ultimate truth?
It isn't given, it's uncovered like every other bit of knowledge we possess. If I were to theorize another hypothesis, then an older alien species, if one exists could reveal this information, if they themselves possessed it. Beyond that, I wouldn't have an intelligent guess as to how we would obtain the Ultimate Knowledge. This too is assuming this knowledge is obtainable.
Just to let you know where I stand on Christianity, I'll clarify a little for you. I don't have a problem with humanity being created, though creation of our species has been shown to be unnecessary. I do however have issues with the definition The bible gives god. The OT and NT do not represent the same entity. The god of the OT is schizophrenic and acts as both g-d and Satan. Jesus was a better example, but the NT was clearly not sanctioned by Jesus, nor has it proven to be accurate at all. I believe Christianity was an extension of the Essenes, which evolved into the Gnostics with the procession of the equinox into Pisces. Paul then took and perverted this belief and it evolved into what most Christians believe today. I do not believe the god defined by the bible exists. The Judaist G-d had too many human traits to fit the description like, jealousy, forgetfulness, anger, etc... He also cannot be perfect, because perfection cannot create imperfection, so the scriptures contradict themselves here and in many other areas. But, we can create life, so we could also have been created. We theoretically can revive Mar's atmosphere, so another race could have done this to Earth, but this/these entit(y)ies most likely could not create the universe nor the environment the Universe itself is most likely contained within, so would not parallel the biblical definition as the alpha and omega.
On top of this, the bible gives no spectacular information, which we could not figure out ourselves. As a matter of fact, most of the morals from the bible existed in other cultures before the bible existed.
Also, the ridiculous requirement that you must accept Jesus as the son of God is divisive, because there's no good evidence he even existed. That's why Christians MUST believe by faith.
In all actuality it looks like Christianity is a solar deity based on the Zodiac.
I am just explaining my position, you can reply or not. I am not trying to open a can of worms, but if we are going to communicate, we must understand each other's position.
There are good Christians and bad ones. I see you as a good one. Judaism on the other hand is a racist elitist belief system and I cannot respect any who subscribed to this belief and gives weight to the beliefs following and linked to it are false.
I wish you the best in life and happiness for you and your family, brother.
Bro I love that you speak from the heart and I hear you. No problems with that at all. So here's the thing. I have pretty much heard all of your questions before and they are very valid. So I understand.
My response would take forever and I would love to dig into this stuff which you on the phone if you don't mind. Let's put God/the Bible on Trial so to speak and see if it can stand on it's own. It doesn't have to be today/tonight. It's up to you. I'm open to discussing things further. I'm at 979-661-0262.
My ears are open and I don't mind listening to things you have to say.
And I yours, my friend. I have had every discussion/debate/conversation on any topic you could even try to use to counter my opinion. I believe they are all based on invalid premises. Don't forget that Christianity is 2000 years old and nothing new about or from Jesus has been added, so there are only new interpretations, but no new facts. So you would be wasting your time, anyway.
I do have 40 years of strong research on the topic under my belt and grew up as both a Reformed and Baptist Christian. I have read and outlined four different translations of the Bible( cover to cover) as well as, all the Judaic Literatures.
It's actually a bit of a passion for me, just like for yourself and have quite extensively researched all the world's religions, living and dead. I greatly enjoy any conversation which pushes me to do more research. We are the same in this way. I look forward to more future discussions.
I'll be glad to answer your question after you expand on your inference by asking the question.
Why do we deserve it?
I'm going off what you said. "As for the absolute truth? We are not ready for it and shouldn't be given this information yet". Just curious.
But to the question as to why we deserve it? Idk.Technically I don't think we deserve anything. We've done nothing to even be alive period. But we just are. So many things we have that we did nothing for. Me personally I feel the same about absolute truth. Also who or what is to give us this absolute truth? I'm just asking since you mentioned the word given.
I was unaware of your definition for Absolute Truth until I read your reply to another comment. That definition changed things a bit. I accept your definition, as it helps to clarify the question quite well.
We do know some absolute truths like, math and look what we did with that! You know, like created the A and H-bombs. Also, absolute truths, which there are many we know are separate from the Ultimate Truth, which is what I was referring to...
Ahh I see. Ok yea we have definitely found a way to screw things up or misuse them. Ok so let's go with the Ultimate Truth. Who or what do you think is to give us this Ultimate truth?
It isn't given, it's uncovered like every other bit of knowledge we possess. If I were to theorize another hypothesis, then an older alien species, if one exists could reveal this information, if they themselves possessed it. Beyond that, I wouldn't have an intelligent guess as to how we would obtain the Ultimate Knowledge. This too is assuming this knowledge is obtainable.
Right or to go further the aliens might not even want us to know this info. I get you. Good talking with you again. Keep posing questions.
Just to let you know where I stand on Christianity, I'll clarify a little for you. I don't have a problem with humanity being created, though creation of our species has been shown to be unnecessary. I do however have issues with the definition The bible gives god. The OT and NT do not represent the same entity. The god of the OT is schizophrenic and acts as both g-d and Satan. Jesus was a better example, but the NT was clearly not sanctioned by Jesus, nor has it proven to be accurate at all. I believe Christianity was an extension of the Essenes, which evolved into the Gnostics with the procession of the equinox into Pisces. Paul then took and perverted this belief and it evolved into what most Christians believe today. I do not believe the god defined by the bible exists. The Judaist G-d had too many human traits to fit the description like, jealousy, forgetfulness, anger, etc... He also cannot be perfect, because perfection cannot create imperfection, so the scriptures contradict themselves here and in many other areas. But, we can create life, so we could also have been created. We theoretically can revive Mar's atmosphere, so another race could have done this to Earth, but this/these entit(y)ies most likely could not create the universe nor the environment the Universe itself is most likely contained within, so would not parallel the biblical definition as the alpha and omega.
On top of this, the bible gives no spectacular information, which we could not figure out ourselves. As a matter of fact, most of the morals from the bible existed in other cultures before the bible existed.
Also, the ridiculous requirement that you must accept Jesus as the son of God is divisive, because there's no good evidence he even existed. That's why Christians MUST believe by faith.
In all actuality it looks like Christianity is a solar deity based on the Zodiac.
I am just explaining my position, you can reply or not. I am not trying to open a can of worms, but if we are going to communicate, we must understand each other's position.
There are good Christians and bad ones. I see you as a good one. Judaism on the other hand is a racist elitist belief system and I cannot respect any who subscribed to this belief and gives weight to the beliefs following and linked to it are false.
I wish you the best in life and happiness for you and your family, brother.
Bro I love that you speak from the heart and I hear you. No problems with that at all. So here's the thing. I have pretty much heard all of your questions before and they are very valid. So I understand.
My response would take forever and I would love to dig into this stuff which you on the phone if you don't mind. Let's put God/the Bible on Trial so to speak and see if it can stand on it's own. It doesn't have to be today/tonight. It's up to you. I'm open to discussing things further. I'm at 979-661-0262.
My ears are open and I don't mind listening to things you have to say.
And I yours, my friend. I have had every discussion/debate/conversation on any topic you could even try to use to counter my opinion. I believe they are all based on invalid premises. Don't forget that Christianity is 2000 years old and nothing new about or from Jesus has been added, so there are only new interpretations, but no new facts. So you would be wasting your time, anyway.
I do have 40 years of strong research on the topic under my belt and grew up as both a Reformed and Baptist Christian. I have read and outlined four different translations of the Bible( cover to cover) as well as, all the Judaic Literatures.
It's actually a bit of a passion for me, just like for yourself and have quite extensively researched all the world's religions, living and dead. I greatly enjoy any conversation which pushes me to do more research. We are the same in this way. I look forward to more future discussions.