Do You Think HF21 Will/Would Change Your Curation/Upvoting Behavior If You Have/Had High SP?

in #dpoll5 years ago

Do You Think HF21 Will/Would Change Your Curation/Upvoting Behavior If You Have/Had High SP?


Hopefully everyone who is at least semi-active on STEEM has heard something about the next hardfork. HF21 is currently in the testing phase, which probably means its adoption is imminent. This is the fork that will include the STEEM Proposal System (SPS) and the Economic Improvement Proposal (or EIP).

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Both are happening because proponents claim they will bring much needed development and/or reform to STEEM, and thus will lead to a better STEEM experience and take STEEM to more prominence and higher values.

For the purpose of this post, I'd like to focus on the EIP rather than the SPS, since there seems to be more argument over whether the EIP will have some positive effect. And I'd like to do it from the aspect of human behavior, since the EIP is meant to change the current ways some users do things (the emphasis seems to be on higher SP).

So, regardless of how much SP you have, I want everyone to put yourself in the higher SP shoes. By higher SP, I mean you have orca-sized SP, or close to it, so you could leave a $1 upvote at 100% weight and voting power.

(Just a little over 425 accounts currently have the ability to hand out $1 or higher upvotes).

If you have that much SP already, or magically had access to it, what would you do? With the EIP in place, would you keep upvoting the way you do now, or would you upvote differently, especially since it could mean a significant increase through curation?

Would you stop/start delegations to bidbots? Would you stop/start self-voting? Would you stop/start spreading your upvotes out as much as you could, or would you stop/start autovoting?

The idea here is to try to see if there's anything in a 50/50 split, convergent linear curve and some free downvotes that would change the way you do things if you had that kind of upvote.

The following poll is in two parts. First, please choose yes, no or I'd change some things, depending on whether you would change some or all of your current upvoting/curation behavior, and then choose among as many of the remaining options as you feel describe what you would do.

FIRST PART—Would You Change Your Behavior?
Answers: Yes, No, I'd change some things, but keep others the same.

SECOND PART—What Would You Change/Do The Same?
The rest of the list.

As always, I appreciate your participation.

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  • Yes, I would change

  • No, I wouldn't change

  • I'd change some things, but keep others the same

  • SAME—Autovote

  • SAME—Self-upvote

  • SAME—Delegate to bidbots

  • SAME—Not Autovote

  • SAME—Not self-upvote

  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots

  • CHANGE—Start autovoting

  • CHANGE—Start self-upvoting

  • CHANGE—Start delegating to bidbots

  • CHANGE—Stop autovoting

  • CHANGE—Stop self-upvoting

  • CHANGE—Stop delegating to bidbots

  • KEEP—Spreading my upvotes out uniformly

  • KEEP—Keep varying my upvote weight based on content

  • START—Spreading out my upvotes uniformly

  • START—Varying my upvote weight based on content

  • Other (please specify)

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Voted for

  • No, I wouldn't change
  • SAME—Autovote
  • SAME—Not Autovote
  • SAME—Not self-upvote
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots
  • KEEP—Spreading my upvotes out uniformly
  • KEEP—Keep varying my upvote weight based on content

Autovote (vote selling) and Not Autovote (manual voting), because I am doing (and I would/will probably do) both.
Mostly spreading my upvotes uniformly (upvoting with 100%), rarely varying my upvote weight.

hey, @xplosive.

Thanks for the answers.

So, basically you're doing what you feel you should do at any SP range. It'll be interesting to see how many others feel the same way. Also, I wonder how many others do a mixture of auto and manual curation. I imagine there are plenty who do, but I wonder how it compares to those who either do it all one way or the other.

Do you find you have better return autovoting or manually curating? Or do you think they're about the same?

I do the autovote mainly because of the lack of time (and lately interest) for Steem, and I like the half-passive income. My interest is decreased in Steem because of the lack of real, human interaction. No matter what I do, what I post, what I write about, almost (or literally) no one cares about my posts. I am earning cents (or even nothing) with my posts, because sometimes the pending payout is not reach the payout threshold ($0.02).
The real, human comments are also rare. Nowadays I don't even use Steemit for blogging.
People are selfish and greedy.
Many people are writing blog posts, but only a few people cares about other people's blog posts.
Maybe the HF21 will help decreasing the number of bloggers (and/or the number of content creators in general), and increase the number of curators and maybe the real, human interaction with it.
Back to the topic of the return of autovoting and manual voting:
To be honest, the two (autovoting and manual voting) are not really comparable with each other, because I receive Steem Dollars (SBD) for autovoting, and Steem Power for manual voting, and I buy Steem with that Steem Dollars (SBD) at various rates, so they are certainly different, but the return of autovoting and manual voting are changing from time to time.

Hey, xplosive.

I appreciate the elaboration.

Visibility remains the central issue here, and maybe it gets solved by thinning out more and more curators because HF21 makes it more lucrative. I doubt it, but hey, if HF21 does what people say it will, all the better.

Okay, so as far as rewards go it would be a matter of taking the SBD you earn and converting it to STEEM/SP to know whether or not you're earning a greater return or not, and since variables change, it's not an easy answer.

Voted for

  • I'd change some things, but keep others the same
  • SAME—Not Autovote
  • SAME—Not self-upvote
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots
  • Other (please specify)
  • other, If the items/content I voted on started getting downvotes, then I would throw my hands up and say f-it and delegate to bid bots or something to where my votes would count for something, even if it is people buying my votes to promote sh*t content. I think that the free downvotes are not going to work well.

Hey, @bashadow.

Thanks for participating.

Yeah, I don't have a good feeling about the free downvotes either. There's very little to indicate that things will be directed to the sole purpose of contesting post rewards.

What's funny is, this is all being done to help curation, but it also can potentially hurt it. My problem with it is, I don't think it's going to be enough. After this goes through and it's been around a few months, I'm sure we'll be hearing the same folks saying we didn't go far enough, and now we need to change the split more, do something more super to the curve and start paying for downvotes. :)

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Voted for

  • No, I wouldn't change
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots
  • KEEP—Keep varying my upvote weight based on content

Hey, @abbak7.

Thank you for participating.

So, essentially, HF21 or no, current SP or magically more SP, it doesn't matter. You're already curating how you want to curate. I am, too, and I don't see the HF changing that. I also don't see it making curation rewards that much more lucrative until you're in the much higher SP range.

I'm not a content creator, I don't use bots..and I only upvote manually...

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Voted for

  • I'd change some things, but keep others the same

Hey, @maxer27.

Thanks for the answer. Just out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what you might change after HF21?

Voted for

  • No, I wouldn't change

Thanks, @adenijiadeshina.

Thank you for participating in the poll. Sounds like you're doing what you would do at any SP level.

Voted for

  • I'd change some things, but keep others the same
  • SAME—Not self-upvote
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots
  • CHANGE—Start autovoting
  • Other (please specify)

At my size I really need to stop up-voting comments because they will become a waste of VP. As a result, it is likely that I may start doing some auto voting to keep VP from being on 100% half of the time.

Hey, @mattockfs.

Thanks for the answers.

You're the second or third person that I've read mention changing what they do on comments. I can see where there will be little to know incentive at all after HF21, and I may find myself doing that, too. Which I'm not happy about, because I feel like it's a good way to help those with lower SP, which accounts for the vast majority of STEEM users.

I've not autoved ever, but I have thought about it frequently, and more so now that I'm back to work. I've been trying to get my upvotes out there far enough each day that the VP doesn't sit at 100%, but it doesn't always work out. And I know if I'm going to pay any serious attention to making curation work for me, I need to be able to time upvotes on posts that will get the larger upvotes.

Voted for

  • No, I wouldn't change

Thank you, @axdx, for being a part of the dpoll.

Okay, so it sounds like you're good the way you're doing things now, and HF21 isn't going to change things for you?

Welcome @glenalbrethsen

Okay, so it sounds like you're good the way you're doing things now, and HF21 isn't going to change things for you?

It depends on the outcome of HF21. I think much hyped HF20 didn't benefit steem platform a lot. Actually, it made almost impossible for newcomers to survive on this platform. So, I am still uncertain on this issue.

Sounds like HF21 is going to make it even harder for newcomers. The superlinear curve is designed to minimize, wipeout, whatever the proper term is, rewards below a certain point. I've heard six and 16 steem, which for most of us is a monster sized amount. No way most of us get 16 steem on posts, so I don't know what to make of that. But as they continue to wage war on the spammers and the plagiarists, and going after the larger farms, they're taking out the legit users, too.

So, we'll see, as you say. We won't really know until it's up and running and people are doing whatever they're going to do.

Voted for

  • No, I wouldn't change
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots

As always, thanks for the answers to the dpoll, @akomoajong.

There's a quite a few who have answered no changes regardless of SP. Are you happy then with your curation efforts as they are, or is there some other reasoning for the answer?

Well, I'm never focused on curation. I vote what or who I like and never look at what I stand to gain. I don't see this habit changing come HF21.

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That's really all I do, too. And I don't know that it will change that much because I'm not really wanting to do autvoting, and I'm not sure how to time the upvotes otherwise. It can be immediately when something is posted, or it can hours after, so unless I go to autovotes, I don't see how I can really try to maximize curation.

Voted for

  • I'd change some things, but keep others the same
  • SAME—Not delegate to bidbots
  • KEEP—Keep varying my upvote weight based on content

I'd change some things - I already am to a degree (although not at anywhere near the $1 vote level). I'm winding back on vote buying, and looking to curate more, particularly on palnet. I do think I'll work on boosting my SBI a fair bit to lift each of my posts up the reward curve a bit.

Not sure if that answers the question, but that's my plan. In summary, more SBI, more staked PAL, less vote buying and selling and auto-voting.

Hey, @jk6276.

I'd say it answers the question exactly. :) Thanks for participating.

The SBI idea is something I hadn't thought about in all of this, so I'm glad you brought it up. I wonder how many others will have the same idea of boosting their SBI to get a post up their curve as you put it. It's definitely another way of doing it, and what I'm concerned will happen through vote buying to even a greater degree.

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