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RE: The Daily Owl, Ep. 10: No, Voting Is Not "Violence," But It Is Usually Pretty Damn Despicable

in #dlive6 years ago

If voting is violence, is could be considered “self-defense” for you to shoot up the entire polling center. Would that massacre be “self-defense”?

Of course not because that response would be completely out of proportion. An individual voter is only responsible for a tiny assault on my freedom. Only the sum of all voters is adding up to something concrete.

I will try one last example. If I pull the trigger of a gun, that is in itself not a violent action. But I know that a complex set of chemical and physical processes will lead to the planned damage.
Paying an assassin in itself is not violent, but I know that it will have the same outcome through a set of complex interactions. My intentions are the same, I only try to keep my hands clean.

I dont think that there is a fundamental difference if i use a gun, a killing robot or an assassin. I wanted a violation of someone else's rights and I have acted in a way to make that happen.

I understand that causal definitions are a lot more messy and may lead to conflicts in their interpretation, but I think that the world is complex and ignoring causality oversimplifies it. In wars, we know the real criminals are not the soldiers. They are just victims of their ignorance. Many of them are likely good people that would have been alright in other circumstances. The true evil are the people that plan wars for their own profit and lust for power. A causal analysis will reveal them as the true criminals.

But in the end I think we are really just fighting over words. I think that in most real world situations we would conclude more or less the same actions as moral/immoral.

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An individual voter is only responsible for a tiny assault on my freedom.

Okay, then what would be the appropriate self-defense from a voter?

But in the end I think we are really just fighting over words. I think that in most real world situations we would conclude more or less the same actions as moral/immoral.

I agree, for the most part I think.

In your opinion, what would be the appropriate self-defense from a voter, if you were inside the polling center?

I really want to hear an answer to this.

I am not so sure, I mentioned an idea in the first reply. Given that there are say 30% anarchists, then one could try to blockade all the voting stands to prevent the vote from happening.

If you are alone, I have no idea. I dont think there is a good answer.

Violating someone for punching a button at a polling station is wrong, man.

Yes,

in my opinion the aggression of voting is smaller than the aggression of accidentally stepping into someone else's lawn; almost zero.
Violent responses to these situations are usually BS.

You have defined violence in almost three different ways now. This is the issue I am pointing at.

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