My response to @openparadigm: My Defense of Israel
This post is a response to a post from @openparadigm: https://steemit.com/discussion/@openparadigm/my-defense-of-israel
The problem of Israel is its orgien, its legitimacy as a State is questioned even by themselves, in addition the first formal declaration for the existence of this State was the "Balfour Declaration" directed mainly to Rothschild, dynasty that has a rather peculiar origin and that goes back to about 400 or 500 years ago, of which I wrote in a post some time ago, the Rothschilds were the same in creating the Bank of England, which was the financial institution in charge of financing a large part of the subversive groups within the Spanish Empire through freemasonry. There is a lot of information that indicates that they are the ones who really hold power in England and in Europe, although I am still collecting data about it.
Also with that thing that Judaism is the affirmation of being the chosen people of God, what is absurd and, above all, very dangerous for the coexistence between people of different religious beliefs. Certainly if you investigate the fact of the founding of the State of Israel you can see how that specific territory was not an essential requirement, because they were studying the possibility of establishing the State of Israel in Argentina among other places, and it was not until "supposedly" the Zionist intelligentsia debated the possible location of the future Jewish state and, after considering different options, chose capriciously the Palestinian territory, based on the place of birth of the Jewish religion more than 2000 years before.
All this without talking about the influence of Israel in the United States and the West that is dragging the world of the countless wars to defend their interests.The former Senator Adlai Stevenson III said "The Prime Minister of Israel generally has more influence over American foreign policy in the Middle East than over his own government policies," as well as former representative from Illinois's 20th district Findlye who said: "In practice, the (Israeli) lobby acts as an informal extension of the government of Israel."
Prince Charles urged the US to ‘take on the Jewish lobby’ – and blamed ‘the influx of foreign Jews’ for causing unrest in the Middle East.
Read this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073607/Letter-penned-Prince-Charles-sparks-controversy.html
President Ford, dissatisfied with Israeli behavior, made a public deprecation requesting a rethinking of US policy in the Middle East, his statement not explicitly mentioning Israel as the guilty party, but His message was clear: he wanted more cooperation in the search for a commitment to Arab interests, and the term rethinking meant the suspension of US aid until Israel no longer shows a change in its behavior, which was a historic proposal, as it was the first time that a President of the United States made public the possibility of suspending aid to Israel since the time of Eisenhower that throughout his career was promoted by Jews, what was the response of Israel? Well, Israel's response came from the Jewish lobby lobbying the Senate, which collected 77 signatures to let the president know he was not capable of doing that, and Israel's friends in the Senate on both the Democratic and Republican sides constituted enough to reject any proposal.
The "crimes" of Israel pale in comparison to most countries in the world.
I am not in agreement at all, from which countries do you speak? This is definitely the kind of thing I discuss, that supposed moral superiority, which does not exist.
The findings vindicate the State of Israel of being complicit in the abduction of Yemenite immigrant children, it still found the practice of some doctors who treated them to have been criminally negligent, especially in the way in which they conducted blood transfusions in some children (by injecting in their system Albumin [dry egg-white], serum, dry plasma, among other things), to check and see if they had traces of sickle-cell disease, as found in some Negroid races. Such practices brought about the untimely death of some children, who were previously robust and healthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair#Re-examination
Read this: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40342143
My question is: Why so much interest on the part of the United States in the matter with Israel? Because simply the United States does not care what happens with Israel? Secretary of State Dean Rusk once said that "Israel has shown again and again that it is not a satellite of the United States, and it is equally important to demonstrate that the United States is not a satellite of Israel."
So? Where is the isolationism of the United States and the values that constituted that country, I understand the political interests that are interested in overturning the countries in wars, but why a person, a citizen, should support the intervention, disastrous by the way, of States United in the Middle East? which in passing is costing a fortune to the taxpayers of the United States as of many other European nations that give constant economic and military aid to Israel. Why?
And it is not worth using any type of ad hominem to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I am already tired of that, I am simply opposed to the State of Israel, because I can not understand that its existence is legitimate, unless you accept that legitimacy is given by indiscriminate use of force.
When one side of this conflict calls the other "religious extremists" while citing old ass books and faith as proof of a "right" to land really hurts rational discussion.
I'm told that I shouldn't "support" or actually just sympathize with Palestinian children because they are "beasts" "angry hords" and their culture does not blend well with mine. I'm told this by people that support the Likud Party, who's leader just went in front of the EU and used"The Bible says....." as his reasoning for the expansion of settlements into Jerusalem.
I personally am an American who simply am tired of my government having more interest in what the Israel lobby and Tel Aviv thinks should be done with the US Army then what American generals and the public believe.
Secondly, the treatment of the Palestinians is disgusting. As is the treatment of many groups in many countries living under many government.
The difference is simply that I'm not called "anti-Semitic" for disapproving of these other governments' tactics & policies.
Plus, American politicians have ignored or covered up Israeli crimes/actions that have zero American interests, and in some aspects are the complete opposite of those interests (i.e. USS Liberty, support for Al Nusra in Syria, stealing of nuclear material).
That's what I mean, how good it can be to find some US citizen who expresses his opinion, that is, a government should care about its citizens, not foreign interests that do not really benefit him.
The argument usually goes "why do you pick on Israel?", when really it's "Israel gets a pass for things other countries would be condemned for". And if you ask "why?" then you're met with anti-antisemitism name calling.
Israel like all States have its origin in conquest, in this case of Palestinian lands.
It's obvious the support of Israel by the US is solely about State power and their shared interests, as well as establishing geopolitical ties in that area of the world. There is nothing beneficial to the average American citizen for this relationship to exist.
I Agree, I also see it that way, that is, why would a citizen support this? What wins with that?
In the US it's one's of those things "you are not suppose to really talk about". Questioning the support of Israel is basically synonymous with anti-semitism. Reminds me of Voltaire's statement: to find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
Exactly! There is no better way to say it.
In this article that talks about the letter related to Prince Charles, it is described how several authors and politicians were accused of being anti-Semitic for simply naming the Jewish Lobby.
So your not aloud to criticize Jews or Israel?
Not really...Anybody who does so in the US, especially in public life will be labeled as an anti-semite. It happened Albert Jay Nock in the 1930's; he never got another article published with a big editorial after he discussed the ignorance of many Jewish people toward their own culture, this coming from an American who understood Hebrew among other languages.
This was my comment on the post you are referring to.
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The Fake News don’t know how to make fake news. Israeli Project just told us in this tweet that the Arabs let one million Jews live in flourishing communities and had a "rich" cultural life in Arab countries for 1400 years. At least this part was not fake news(history). Why The stupid Arabs will expelled Jews to Israel. So Israel can get stronger. Why the Arabs did not just kill those Jews or just put them in jails. Really Arabs are nothing but a joke.
Look up Dhimmi, Dummy
(A little harsh I know but it really rolls off the tongue)
The only reason Jews lives under their Arab overlords is viewed in a favourable light is because the Jews lives under the Apartheid of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches was so terrible.
This Rabbi disagree
Can peace be made with people who want you dead?
A European Jew who knows nothing about Dhimmitude!
If I want you dead and you want me dead, we both need peace equally.
I don't really care for either Palestine or Israel. They can fight it out. I am not wasting my time on a conflict that is not mine.
Effectively that must be the answer. The problem is when the politicians take your taxes, and they decide to support one of those sides.
Well I just made a post about Peru's crimes https://steemit.com/israel/@openparadigm/protocols-of-the-elders-of-satiago-matamoros-or-who-really-runs-the-federal-reserve
Death Squads, Rape, Murder of children and they receive foreign aid too!
https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/PER
Let's Boycott Peru!
But I will get to another country that is a better comparison, hint it begins with a P
I think that the issue of Peru has already been discussed in your publication. In the same way, what I wanted to make clear is that Israel is not that holy nation, I think you are trying to sell saying "The crimes of Israel pale in comparison to most countries in the world.", Which is false, because it has committed CRIMES very horrible, that only a very few Western nations can be compared to it, just as it never obeys any international norm, as with the issue of nuclear weapons. Instead of that, you make it clear that they do not commit crimes, which is not the case.
I clearly state that Israel is not innocent, horrible crimes though thats a stretch.
My own country Canada when faced with terrorist attacks by a separatist movement (with only one kidnapping and two murders) declared martial law rolled out the tanks and imprisoned any one who distributed their(PLQ) literature. I know because my friend went out in protest and handed out their literature and was imprisoned.
What crimes be specific, while the Arabs and Communists have sponsored much fake news against the Israelis these stories don't hold up to close scrutiny.
But to us who care about the Arabs? we have to make them stay in their lands, I oppose the massive migration that is taking place and I have posted a post about it, but Israel is part of that, and I do not see why to defend the Jews or Israel specifically, simply I do not see how the existence of the State of Israel for the West is beneficial, the world continued to function for several thousand years without Israel, and since its existence less than a century ago, it has only represented a pain in the ass for the United States and Europe.
Because including Jews in your society helps your society to be prosperous.
That seems to me a philo-semitic argument: How are Jews supposed to bring prosperity to a society according to you? Do not other cultures do it? and supposing that it was, that does not solve at all the issue of Israel, which is only a big problem.
and Scotsmen.
Big problem to who?
Scotsmen? And where do you leave the Greeks, Italians, Germans, French, English, among others who have made contributions?
Very prosperous countries like Norway have practically no Jewish presence. nevertheless the Jews are a minority worldwide. Since I learned to distinguish several issues, I have always been struck by their overrepresentation in society, that is, despite being a very small minority practically dominate everything, like an elite, as happened with the patricians and as it subsequently happened with the Germans, I think maybe the difference is that unlike Patrician and Germans, it is very difficult to find people with ethnic Jewish components in low social positions.
Come on, Israel is a problem for both the West and the East, it just does not fit and it is a huge cost for the taxpayers of the United States, like other countries in Europe. In addition to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Besides, they represent the banking financial elite, like the goldman sachs, which finances the socialist regime of my country, while the debt increases and the Russian oil companies dominated by them also settle.
Watch this:
By the way, you can criticize Palestine and any other country that commits atrocities, with pleasure I will also do it, the bad should be criticized no matter who does it.
Watched your video, I already agree that the Jesuit run Federal Reserve system is bad. Spanairds have brought plenty of evil into this world so what's your point? Should we get rid of their evil influence once and for all?
I am not against any particular group, unless that group is the elite, the Spaniards do not matter, they are insignificant, the problem is that there is an elite. You have not asked yourself how the Fractional Reserve system was created? the money based on debt? How was it that the dollar became the hegemonic currency that it is today? The way in which the Bank of England was founded? In all these events, curiously, they have the Rothschild presence, coincidentally the same ones of the Balfour Declaration.
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