Krishnamurti of the day - How to meet violence in another
Questioner: How do we meet violence in other people?
Krishnamurti: My neighbour is violent: how shall I deal with it? Turn the other cheek? He is delighted. What shall I do? Would you ask that question if you were really non-violent, if there were no violence in you? Do listen to this question. If in your heart, in your mind, there is no violence at all, no hate, no bitterness, no sense of fulfilment, no wanting to be free, no violence at all, would you ask that question about how you meet the neighbour who is violent? Or would you know then what to do with your neighbour? Others may call what you do violent, but you may not be violent; at that moment your neighbour acts violently you will know how to deal with the situation. But a third person, watching, might say, “You are also violent.” But you know that you are not violent. So what is important is to be for yourself completely without violence—and it does not matter what another calls you.
--- Krishnamurti, Beyond Violence, pp 83-84
An aggressive alpha macaque monkey who comes into our home regularly, Ubud Bali 2016
Krishnamurti quotes are interesting, maybe this one has a little intricate explanation for me. I don't know so much about him, I am more fascinated with Osho, less intellectual, simple and plain, but still so deep :)
BTW the alpha macaque monkey is beautiful and worth the whole post!
Glad you enjoyed the monkey. I call him Big Daddy as (unlike the others) he has no fear of me. Though he doesn't seem to like my fire-staff thankfully. So, lets me remain the boss of this house... for the moment.
Osho is another great master I should really be sharing here on Steemit! Thanks for reminding me of him :)
This is one Krishnamurti quote I sort of have to sit with for a bit... different layers of meaning, here.
Interesting visitor... but I suppose not unusual in Bali.
Yes, some of his words do take a little longer to digest.
As for the monkeys, they certainly are regular visitors here. A whole troop of them went past a moment ago...to my son's delight :)
It wasn't all that long ago when most of Bali was their playground. Then the white man came!
I think kmutri was out to sell books and not logic or insight, and even less wisdom, he made a great deal of money from his talks and books.
Osho was out to gather his collection of Rolls Royce to over 100 on the other hand and talk about not following gurus while he enjoyed a massive following and guru worshiping.
I like UGK for his brutal take on enlightenment in the age of regurgitated peddlers of wisdom like JK. As for OSHO I would rather go to the real deal: The Essence Of The Bhagavad Gita by Paramahansa Yogananda
http://ugkrishnamurti.org/
Interesting thoughts. Had never heard anyone say this before. I have been very inspired over the years by his words and also by those of Osho.
So, it's hard to let the rather human trait of wanting money get in the way of their evident wisdom.
Looking at the UGK link now I see that he also sells DVDs ;)
Though I must say he looks very interesting indeed. Many thanks for this.
Nope, never wrote a book, never sold one dvd.
Also OSHO rationalizes owning 96 rolls royces as making people jealous, much wisdom in that, instead of seeking to better himself and others he actively seeks to bring out the qualities of fear in others:
http://www.spiritualsatya.com/osho-and-his-ninety-six-rolls-royces/
He is a fake and a spiritual fraud. Read the Essence of the Bhagavad Gitta, by Pramahans Yogananda, and I will make you this challange, any quote you have from OSHO or JK post it here in this thread and I will let it's wisdom be fulfilled. I have yet to find something that either of those two frauds have said that sits in wisdom, in truth.
A friend of mine sent her teenage daughter to the Krishnamurti school in the UK four years ago. And what I have observed is that she now appears to be one of the most creative & spiritually aligned teenagers I have ever known.
So, from my perspective there must be some kind of truth to his words.
Check the post I made today: https://steemit.com/dailyquotes/@samstonehill/krishnamurti-of-the-day-we-are-bound-to-create-war
Can you find fault in this one?
Creative and spiritually aligned teenagers doesn't preclude one to being wise or knowing how to respond to real world problems, in fact it leaves her open into believing that everything is metaphysical. Did you know that the Buddha did not enunciate ONE thought on the metaphysical?
I did not know that about the Buddha. Thanks. Food for thought there.
Try me, see if he has anything but practical every day wisdom, that can be applied immediately that has nothing to do with SPIRIT, that is devoid of CREATIVITY or any other attributes that are simply so subjective that using those adjectives leaves one to the world of interpretation and therefore it says absolutely nothing.
Also, am confused why there is page on the UGK site listing books & DVDs available to buy. Doesn't this mean he is selling books and DVDs?http://ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/bob/index.html
Read about him, you will realize that he has not wrote one book, or sold one dvd, ever. What others do with his legacy is not his problem, as he would say.
I will read him. Thank you :)
Thank you my friend ;)
Instead of offering a straight up advice about the irrationality of allowing violence and turning your cheek for more violence, he insinuates that only a violent person would have such a question. He also proves that he himself cannot answer the question, why?
He has not once answered the question, by his own ethos that a person with such a question is violent and one that never has the question is not violent but also eludes that turning the other cheek is not the answer:
A person turning the other cheek is not violent, is not going to be called violent, instead they will be meek, and humble, not violent, therefore no person will call someone who's meek, who's humble violent, where as in his answer it is clear that turning the other cheek, being meek, humbling yourself before your violent neighbor, is not the answer.
The fraud is so enveloped with hearing himself talk, as is evident by almost everything he says, that he never answers the question at all, not even in the slightest. He concludes with to be for yourself without violence. Violence is a way of the world. Plants have consciousness, regardless of you or anyone else ignorant to that, it is a violent act to eat, it is violent act to defecate, there is violence in conception, in birth, there is violence in death, violence is a part of life. When a murdering rapist is running around only violence will stop him, he will laugh at humility and meekness, therefore it is to be wise that his actions are meet with violence as quickly as possible. When a tiger is loose in tow, he must be meet with violence. Violence is part of this world and by it's merit of being part of this world is under the function of duality, it serves more than one dimensional purpose that turn the other cheek preaches. Spiritual folk are among the most deluded individuals, and the peddlers of dozens of books or of retreats and seminars are rolling around in their riches because of how deluded and non questioning, non inquiring their followers are.