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RE: Leading By Example: A New Approach To Curation Guilds
That's a good start. Being upfront and honest about having high standards. So then people will respond with, "quality is subjective," then that fun argument ensues. The circle of guild life.
My question today is: If one guild supports an author, and your guild enjoyed the article as well, will your guild also support that article, or, will it be ignored because someone got there first?
(I see a turf war on the horizon.)
For the first part, I would tell them that if they want to be the judge then come and help us.
The question you pose is a good one. I think it would depend greatly on the current payout, the quality, and the potential for attracting user engagement.
By no means would there be a "definitely do not vote for something that already has been voted by a guild."
A lot of curie posts end up on around 12 dollars. If we see one that is very, very good, I see no reason not to reward it with more. As I said in the post, it would be great if we could help to get the best content trending, so for that to happen, it may(at least the beginning) require votes from two guilds.
I don't know all the details yet. I have shared in the post what I want and what the plan is. The discussion where we build on the initial concept will take place tomorrow, and you need only say so if you want to be a part of.
There is only a few things that are not up for debate. And that's that there will be no payment or rewards for any members. It's strictly volunteer work, so there will never be a reason for anyone to question the integrity of the guild.
There will be no excluded types of content, controversial or not.
And there will never be any flagging done with the delegated voting power.
A few more hard pressed questions.
Since controversial posts will be included. How will the guild respond to accusations of being racist after supporting one of our members latest, greatest, pro-nazi hits, "Hitler: The Man, The Myth, The legend"(for example)? I've a strange feeling something like that would be overlooked. How will you then respond to the author of such controversial material when they've realized your guild is anything goes, but their material is never included? At that point will the guild then have to amend their rules?
Disclaimer: I am not a racist. These were used as examples of a worst case scenario that should not be overlooked.
I hope you don't mind that I am going to answer these tomorrow. I have been chatting away looking at a bright screen for hours and it is 2AM, so I'm going to retire. If I forget to answer, just send me a little comment to remind me.
I love that you're posing questions though. This is exactly what we need to ensure that we have all angles covered. It forces us to improve the concept.
Speak tomorrow--
Okay. So, to answer your Hitler question. I guess this guild is already tainted, because if you check my history, you will see that I once realeased a post named Dictatorship VS Democracy where i asked the question, "Was Hitler really a bad guy?"
This doesn't mean that I believe Hitler was a good guy. Just that we shouldn't always believe history because the victors write the history books.
This is certainly controversial, but, I do not consider it hate speech. And it resulted me having some interesting, but respectable conversations with some Jewish Steemit users.
So, if it is something that is asking questions and not doing so with the intent of causing harm, then a decision will have to be made on that. But, obviously we will not be rewarding hate speech that is written with intent of belittling, ridiculing, or insulting other groups.
I have no desire to promote intolerance, but, I certainly don't have a problem with promoting controversial discussions that ask important questions. The decision will never be solely my own anyway.
I think guild members will need to have some thick skin, as there is bound to be this type of thing-- as there is with everything. I know mine is thick, and Stella's too. So, if we can get more of the same on board, we will be fine.
As for people moaning that their work wasn't picked. In all honesty I think we will just ignore it. If their post is one of the gems we find in a day, and it doesn't promote hate speech, we will pick it. If we don't, and they want to cry about.. Then we haven't got time to baby everyone who feels they have been neglected.
Our goal is to make Steemit a lot better, not to breast feed whiny bitches.
That's a good answer. You certainly have a knack for public relations and no desire to be politically correct. That alone could be enough to deter most attitude problems and pointless shouting matches about what's where and why.
I'd encourage you to add the fine print about what will never, under any circumstances, be included. You cannot say nothing will be excluded when you've already explained how low quality and hate speech will be excluded(and I'm sure there are a few more things that should be added to the list).
Also, about ignoring certain complaints, I get it, I really do, I'd probably be the same damn way... but... history proves when it comes to guilds, people will eventually come along demanding answers. Just putting that one out there. That's another reason why it's a good idea to have certain rules or standards set in stone so everyone remains on the same page.
Finally, correct, I'm not being hostile or trying to stir shit up(I see your comment below this and to the left). It's normal during promotional phases for everyone to be focused on all of the positive stuff, picnics, rainbows and flashy lights. It's support you want, that's life. It's hard to ignore the hiccups though.
Again, I wish you all the best of luck. I'd almost be interested in helping, but unfortunately, my heart is still set on offering the thing a guild requires to exist in the first place. A blog.
Yeah you're right. There will be very clear indicators of what we will be looking to support, and what we will not. Whilst we have an idea at the moment of what these things will be, until we have the discussion tonight, we won't know all of them.
In regards to ignoring complaints; The goal is to create a guild that is so transparent that there will be no justification for complaints. Though, I have been thinking today, and in spite of the guild being composed of strictly volunteers that receive no monetary rewards for their efforts, there is still at least one susceptibility to abuse that I have considered.
Members of the guild could collude with potential rewardees(I know that's not a word lol). That is to say that a guild member could conspire with a Steemit user and say something like;
"I will suggest your posts if you do this in return for me."
I plan to address this vulnerability by removing outright autonomy from all members, and having any suggestions further vetted by the rest of the members to ensure it is of the best quality.
In addition, we want the community to serve as oversight and point out any abuses that they might bear witness to, and if those allegations prove true, the guilty member would be excommunicated from the guild with no opportunity to redeem themself. In my experience, second chances only invite further corruption, because they feel they have gotten away with it. I don't really adhere to the justification of morally grey areas. You have integrity-- or you do not. That's my opinion at least. We will talk more on this tonight too.
Ones who are complaining about us not upvoting their posts, however, will simply be ignored. We won't throw fuel on the fire. Though, if after a look at their blog after complaining, we find that their content truly is of the best quality, we will keep a close eye on them in future. We will just not inform them of it.