Token name will remain CRED.

I have one, but that didn't put me off dLedger.

I gave him the same response. But I also thought we should choose between dMesh and dLedger.

He also recently pointed out that there is a LedgerX.

For me, the term mesh captures the meshing of all the open source data (and people, thus socially interwoven) interacting on trustless, permissionless ledger. So meshing speaks to the derivative features the dLedger creates as well as to topology. Ledger is focused and descriptive only of the core function. A dLedger enables a dMesh.

dMesh could also be construed to be the name of the technology that makes the ledger unique.

I can't recall now what made you go cool on the “mesh” names previously.

Appears that it was the inability of Hypermesh or Mesh to be a mainstream name (and mesh.* domains being unavailable). But recently in my discussion with you, we decided to name the ledger a technical name and use different mainstream names for the dApps.

I quoted from my notes last year as follows:

I registered the following domains:

$ 5 bitmesh.cash
$10 bitmesh.cc
$ 8 bitmesh.cloud
$ 7 bitmesh.co
$14 bitmesh.net
$ 3 bitmesh.us
$ 5 hyperbit.cash
$ 8 hyperbit.cloud
$ 7 hyperbit.me
$ 3 hyperbit.space
$ 3 hyperbit.us
$59 hyperme.sh (iwantmyname.com)
$ 7 hypermesh.co
$ 3 hypermesh.us
$ 7 hypernet.cloud
$10 hypernet.cc

See the BitDice logo on @Febo’s avatar:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2060734.msg20789772#msg20789772

I’m still not totally satisfied with the name Bitnet (and token name ‘bits’), because afaics it connotates no useful meaning to our target demographic for onboarding (other than perhaps confused as being a service of Bitcoin such as Bitpay or yet another of zillions of copycoins riding the coattails of Bitcoin), which are mainstream Internet users of social networking and blogging. “an Internet of bits” sounds silly as if we are tearing the Internet down into infinitesimal pieces. The name makes somewhat more sense for targeting BCT and Bitcoin aficionados, but as @Febo’s avatar exemplifies, the portmanteau clones are proliferating.

• bitnet (already have bitnet.cash)

Proposed currency ticker name: BNT

Token name bits.

Bitnet is short and catchy, but the downsides are it competes for brand recognition/uniqueness with BitDice, Bitpay, Bitcoin, etc.. Unfortunately that name is not brandable. It will always be associated with “something for Bitcoin”. We are simply building up Bitcoin and devaluing our project by trying to piggyback on Bitcoin’s brand. It makes it sound like Bitnet is a network for Bitcoin.

That is very bad. Very poor marketing if we intend our project to step out from Bitcoin's limited ecosystem and be something that sweeps over the mainstream of the world.

Bitnet will forever be promoting Bitcoin. “Have you heard of Bitnet? Isn't it that, that Bitcoin-thingy”.

We need our own name. Our own brand.

I agreed with many of your comments, but this one I do not agree with:

Bit Coin -> decentralized currency
Bit Net -> decentralized everything on the internet

Most people do not give a rats ass about decentralization. They will appreciate benefits they get from it (e.g. more choices of how to manage their data), but the mainstream thinks of Bitcoin as some clunky thing for hackers to extort ransomware and other shady activities.

well something with net in the name makes a lot of sense

Yeah. That is why I like Urnet. (“your network”, so we all own it, not any centralized party). But can’t think of a good name of the token which matches that name well, unless we use the ticker abbreviation URS (similar to how someone says “pay me 10 BTC or 10 ETH”).

Actually net is perhaps implying the physical network; whereas, space is maybe more apt because it implies all those other features I mentioned that can appear in a (My)space. Also net can also connotate with getting trapped and thus not openness and freedom, e.g. spidernet and dragnet.

’cloud can also be associated with a rainy day.

Another theme idea is ’scape, e.g. Netscape. So Bitscape or Cloudscape. Escaping from the status quo.

how about SkyNet ;)

Our cable TV provider is named that here. Really an overused name already. Not brandable.

The Steemit-like project Yours.network acquired the domain yours.org

Yours doesn’t say what is yours. Urnet says the network is yours. Urnet sounds more technical than Yours. But if you are a user thinking about joining, at least Urnet gives you an idea why you might want to join, i.e. Facebook doesn’t own your content.

For that reason I think Urnet is better than Urspace, because owning the network is better than owning just some space on the network.

The only words I've known that start with Ur- were German, and the old computer game Star Control II where the alien empire was the Urquan

Ah interesting again, because Curtis Yarvin (creator of Urbit) refers to German vocabulary in his writings.

Okay so for you the Urnet sounds like some old world fantasy game.

It’s quite possible for people to think Urnet is some fantasy game.

Urbit is strange. When I first heard, I thought of orbit. Then I thought of both ourbit and yourbit (and yobit since I had thought of that name long ago), and I was not sure which they meant.

‘net’ is ambiguous. I don’t think most people connect it to anything. If it’s not the Internet, then what is it. And if it is the Internet, then what is different.

Ambrosia

The problem is that what we are providing to users is too abstract to name.

We are giving to users the ability to own what they use, so their effort isn’t siphoned off from them by corporate walled gardens. We decentralize gatekeeper moderation so everyone can find a place where they fit in. By breaking down these Coasian barriers, the choices users will have to customize their apps and experiences will be unlimited. Ditto for monetization. Instead of corporate version of the Internet, it is yours.

How do you put that into a name?

How about we go back to my 2015 idea:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg12776415#msg12776415

hyperbit

Then the token name is hyperbits or people will eventually abbreviate it bits.

I’m trying to think of name that really stands out and which conveys the speed of the transactions and that we can do much more with data. And implying hyper interoperable.

People will think Elon Musk created it. Which is great.

But Michelle says hyperbit means like our crazy hyper dog and she asks why the bit it hyper. She accidentally said hypernet. And she say that Urnet sounds like Earnnet and does not mean anything much to her if Urnet textually. She said Bitnet is good, because of Bitcoin (but that is because she knows about Bitcoin from me).

Initially I like that the hyperbits is associated with the hypermesh via the same prefix at least until it gains critical mass. If the community on their own accord shortens it to bits then great.

Okay maybe MSH is better, because we can say MESH. Which is better so that in case any other Hyper- coin names come out (darn copycoins), then our ticker is unique. In the long run, our branded website will maybe end up being Mesh instead Hypermesh (where the technology of Mesh is Hypermesh).

mesh.org is a domain squatter, thus it is for sale. But mesh.me is $5500, so figure mesh.org is going to be more expensive. mesh.net is redirecting to a site that does not need it, so presumably also for sale at a high enough price. Microsoft owns mesh.com, so not for sale but also not in use (redirects to the their One Drive page).

Thus Mesh as a name seems solid for the future plan. The technology is Hypermesh.

Hypermesh is the technology name for my new sharded DAG consensus algorithm. Hypermesh could also be the project name and I think it is a cool name as it is.

We also discussed that MESH would be a cool name for mainstreaming it to compete with Facebook et al. Well, none of the good MESH names are available to register right now, so we will have to wait to see if we can afford one of the good ones later.

I am resisting Hypermesh as the mainstream brand only because not sure if it will appeal to the non-technical masses. But actually the masses are becoming more and more aware of technology, and Hypermesh sounds like something really powerful for synergizing mobile or something like that. It might actually work as a social networking hub type thing, "Hey did you check your feed on the Hypermesh?". It is not a verb like google, but neither are Facebook, Instagram. Where MESH could be both a noun and a verb. ”Did you mesh today?”. Intermeshing, comingling, interacting.

So Hypermesh, Hypernet, Bitnet... are you still tossing ideas around? I think those three are my favorites. You mentioned the word Ledger and I was thinking I like the idea of conveying that it's a new way to record things or set them in stone. I was thinking what are other words for ledger or making something concrete. Back in the day it was chiseled into stone. So this tech is a new way to make permanent or make concrete. So maybe "tablet", "block" or some ther word that represents the immutability of it?

We need to nail down a mass adoption compatible name. Hypermesh means nothing to most people, thus isn’t acceptable.

I want to entirely get away from a technical name and focus only on the mass adoption. A mass adoption name is critical. We need to get rid of Hypermesh. This became clear to me recently with some time off the computer and ability to think a bit more clearly with a fresh mind. And it’s even more clear to me now that Bitnet was a horrible name (my original instincts were correct because I’m not wanting to enter the overcrowded sea of useless pump & dump technobabble speculation hype names that won’t appeal to the masses, BitDice, Ark, Qtum, Lisk, etc).

• mesh (.com owned by Micrsoft, me.sh owned by creator of WordPress, .org/.us not in use, .me $4500, .cool $999, .network $9999, .site $625).

Btw, I see the asking price for mesh.me has increased to $8800 (or $9460 if paying in BTC).

However, please note these distinctions:

• Hypermesh is too technical, long, and 3 syllables, for a brandable social networking name. Mesh is acceptable but not as powerful of a meaning as Our.net and not as creative/brandable/unique as Mosh. Another problem with portmanteaus combining two words (e.g. hyper+mesh) is they have zillions of similar variants (e.g. hypernet, hyperbit, bitmesh), thus aren’t as brandable/memorable (they get lost in a sea of similar variants). Facebook overcame this because other variants aren’t very meaningful in the same context of a circle-of-friends social network (e.g. Fuckbook is a real site) and because Facebook became the defacto standard at a time when there weren’t yet too many other large social networks, because all our friends are already there. Yet we need to be unique and rise in an environment crowded with existing large and fledgling social networks, e.g. Instagram, Twitter, Line, WeChat, etc.. Bitnet was shorter but too focused on the speculation market of crypto with no mass adoption appeal and lost in a sea of BitDice, Bitpay, etc. The abbreviation ʰMESH is neat, but the browser changes ʰMESH.com to hmesh.com to avoid phishing attacks on premium domain names, even though I can register that ʰMESH.com Unicode name. And pronounciation can only be hmesh which has many variants, e.g. pmesh, umesh, etc..