RE: Discovering The Sites and Apps That Let Us Explore and Create Value on The Steem Network
Super post. I actually use, or tried, most of the apps you mention. All have their good things but also their not so good things. I doubt if it is a good idea to try and combine blogging, instagram, and twitter type of services in the some blockchain though. They are all specific services and eg in SteepShot you cant see the text, but the first image of each post is presented. SteepShot users will now vote for an image, while the vote is actually applicable for the whole post, including the text. This can lead to many votes given to images that the SteepShot user would not have given to the entire post! This is just one example. Depending to what Steem/Steemit will evolve it could very well be that services and frontends like SteepShot and Zapple HAVE to seek for their own blockchain and reward models, investment they make in the apps maybe worthless. I can imagine that many of the Steemians regarding single image posts as no quality at all. This may lead to community wars, with flags everywhere and counterflags everywhere. But only time will tell.
@edje wow. Flag wars would be terrible. There has to be a way to incentivize good behavior. Maybe Steem can consider giving minimal voting power if someone doesn't even click to view past the first pic and allow full voting power if they do click through. category of minimal voting power.
Either way, Steem is going to get a whole lot of new users so it's good to have these discussions.
Nothing would be worse than flag wars because of the negative energy it sends out. People get defensive. I really believe people will stop bad behavior or leave if the community doesn't encourage them or the compensation doesn't pay them.
Hmmm....
Keep in mind the SteepShot app is not build to show the post, it is Instagram on Steem, ie 1 image + comments. When I tested SteepShot some time ago, it would read all posts on the blockchain, so also all those that are created in eg Steemit UI, or Busy.org, or eSteem, a post with text and images but showing only the first image of the post due to the nature of the service. The nature of Instagram and Twitter (Zapple on Steem blockchain) is so different to the posts on Steemit UI. It does not fit together on the same blockchain, unless SteepShot, Zapple and normal Steemit posts can be filtered per services, ie SteepShot interface only shows single image posts that does not contain any text. Zapple shows only posts with a little bit of text and a link. But I dont think that is a good way forward. I honestly think SteepShot and Zapple do need their own blockchains, or they die at some point in time.
That is noble thinking, but the reality is different as we can see. Abuse is growing in our community. I see people who want to the good, also turning to abusive methods. Question is: what is abuse and what not. But for sure, more and more accounts are becoming abusive (eg creating 100 meaningless comments on their own meaningless post and then self vote all those comment). Some of them are countered by flags from whales, many of them are not. Ans what about all these self curating services popping up. They can be used for the good, ie give some other author an extra reward, but I'm afraid most of their power is used for self voting. As long as this is profitable, that type of behaviour will continue and grow. I think more people shall flag those who show bad behaviour, but I also believe we shall determine what bad behaviour is as a community, since what I think is bad behaviour, someone else may not think so. Anyway, difficult topics for which it is extremely difficult to get alignment in the community since we have many users who believe that whatever is possible by technology, cannot be defined as abuse or bad behaviour.
I guess that baffles me, is there a way that someone that just creates meaningless comments to their own meaningless posts actually get paid? I had a thought. Why don't we give it voting weight based on the number of other voters... meaning if only meaninglessposter is the only one that is voting on his stuff and voting on his comments, that it's less than minnow power. But if meaninglessposter posts something good and more Steemians comment and vote, then meaninglessposter may not be so meaningless anymore so his vote could count for more.
Interesting idea. Keep in mind all these kind of things can be gamed. For instance, anyone can get a vote from eg the minnowsupportproject vote train, it is a free to use self curation service, meaning you send your URL to them and the vote with their followon vote train, generally 50 votes. Users can also get 2nd and 3rd account and let these vote for each other. You can also make agreements with other users to vote for each other. Some initiatives are already started; I received one or two invites in private chat from those who are setting this up.
On topic of meaningless and meaningful: this is very subjective; ok, some posts may be meaningless to everybody, but maybe SteepShot generate posts could be meaningful to SteepShot users, but meaningless to Steemit users (those who go for quality writing.