All respect; the effect is because the earth is hardly smooth. Looking from the coast the horizon is roughly 24 km away, then that coast disappears. Then, say 30 km away the ground level goes up.
He says the peak is 9000ft; but aren't seeing the base of the mountain. Maybe the top 2/3...
@bmanmcfly No problem with you refuting, BUT "You should not see any of it, not an inch. There needs to be like 15,000 ft of curvature the mountains are on 12,000 ft or so , AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, this is across WATER, water that from space curves neatly into a BALL!!! Think about it, water has to curve at 8 inches per mile squared, it has no choice. The water does not have bulges haha in fact it does not curve, it is ALWAYS flat and ALWAYS finds its level. I pppreciate your thoughts, but please think about what I am saying, it is the KEY. We are looking across WATER, water that must conform to the shape NASA (liars) shows us in photos, a ball. If it was a ball then you would not se ANY part of those mountains, not a single inch.
It is HARD EVIDENCE that something is WRONG and the earth CANNOT possibly be a ball. It is ACCEPTING this evidence that is hard. Try imagining that you have NO idea what shape the earth is and then watch the video, you will see quickly that your first instinct is that the earth could not possibly be a ball.
There are videos of multiple places (over water) that show this time and again. Like this one-
Come on man, this stuff is easy. General Relativity is ONLY a THEORY. Not 1 in a 1,000 people can do the math for general relativity, they depend on BELIEF.
Watch this video on perspective it EXPLAINS WHY you do not see the bottom of the mountain, its the way our eyes work.
Seriously, you seem sincere in your belief you are trying to help me, please take a moment and just focus on how a ball should behave when placing objects on it and looking at that object from the ball at great distances. On earth just 50 miles produces 1,200 ft of curvature or so, 500 miles produces 31 MILES OF CURVE!!!! 31 MILES!!!!! Its CRAZY, Mt. Everest is only like 5 miles high and you can see it like a sore thumb. We have been brainwashed, just try and forget the guys in white coats who give you equations that you (and I) do not understand at ALL! PEACE and Earth is FLAT!!!
First, I want to stick with where I agree with you, because it's not about "fixing", we have an over abundance of information, but a lack of education. I don't want you to doubt God, that's not my place, and I know there's a force greater than us, I once spoke to my "guardian angel" (not sure if the term is appropriate, but the advice never failed).
Yes, we have been lied to, in the worst of ways, by all.
I would have no choice to believe if is was a flat ball, it's more complex than that. Within my city has a height variation of around 600ft. Things get even more complicated with water. Theres temperature, across depth, current, atmospheric pressures, etc, that will impact how high it is relative...
Then, light bends with gravity, so, while you see in a straight line, the path the light takes does bend slightly with the earth, it's treated as negligible in the relative small distance of experiments, but at scale there's an effect.
General relativity; it was found, with GPS devices that they were giving messed up directions, ultimately, it required a software patch to synchronize the seconds because the relative speed of both was different to a degree that it was miscalculating locations.
Please watch the tesla spacex launch... You can skip about the first minute or two. As it increases in altitude you can clearly see the curvature of the earth.
Regarding the Tesla car in space, did you know that it is a STOCK FACTORY car?? Did you know that caars here on earth MELT on really hot days??? Did you know that the ISS and satellites have protective shielding to keep parts from melting at 250 degrees on the side facing the sun??? Now how come the stock TESLA car with plastic parts not MELT??? Because it is NOT IN SPACE, either is the ISS. This stuff is really hard to ACCEPT but use logic, why have we not gone back to the moon in 50 YEARS!!!!??? I would hope technology today would make the mission over 1,000 times safer but nope, NOTHING. AND, even back in the day people were saying the moon landings were fake. Spacex is just fancy CGI and a bunch of actors. Yes they probably shot a rocket up but no way in hell was the video of it coming down genuine. Even musk says it looks fake- they like to mock us they really do!
Yes, he strapped the space man symbolically, the don't panic is reference to hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy.
This gets into materials related sciences. First, in space it's cold that would kill (ok, can debate on what would cause death first, but would be an icicle.
The reason such measures as that insulation, that's quite an ingenious solution. But it's not really the concern for the vehicle... Since the ambient temperature can be treated as about -450, and there is no atmosphere to really heat up, it's would be heating the metal / plastic to... I dunno the energy, but if it's heating it 250 degrees, the actual temperature of the materials is still going to be far below freezing.
Why it's a bigger deal on the space station is that there's an atmosphere that is heated... So, the ambient metal outside would be far closer to comfort temperatures (ignoring the cooling effect of space). So, yes, there is shielding...
Now, traveling to the moon, the moon landings themselves were not fake, but some footage WAS faked because they did not want to show the technology involved. As to why there isn't a moon base, that has more to do with politics and priorities of government. That does tie into why Musk decided to launch the spaceman, saying that humanity is going off planet.
If you go to the live video, the thing is far too close to earth to be live, I agree with you there.
Moon landings 1,000 % Fake! we can't even go today. More than likely Everything you said, you "know" because a scientist or physicist told you. You trust those people, I do not. People can make equations for anything, it doesn't make it true and most can't even understand it anyway. USELESS. Using simple logic, you can tell we did not go to the moon.
Problem with Jeranism is that he doesn't sound like the guy who studied physics or other technical disciplines. Thus lacking any experience in solving problems by providing adequate evidence and necessary proofs.
In this case, he could've started by using google earth to show locations and elevations. Autocad would be nice.
Also, the most important part. Dozens and dozens of measurements at various locations.
Use of applied optics, adjustments for varying light refraction due to atmospheric density gradient, etc...
Reference to people who have no clue about the scientific method and no knowledge of the particular science they trying to disprove is a disservice to alternative researchers.
@nik4 There are plenty of videos where he does use the measurements, as in LOTS. Whether he sounds like he studied does not matter to me, he has improved his tests consistently over time. There is just so much "other" evidence that for me taken together, you have to be almost a complete zombie to to accept that the earth cannot be a spinning ball. Evidence for me: NASA caught in multiple lies, Water always finds its level, general relativity is ONLY a theory never been proven, Bible describes nothin close to a spinning ball, multiple instances like this where you can see things that you should not be able too on a ball, ships do not go over the horizon (bring them back into view with a telescope), they say we are in a pressure system existing within a vacuum with no solid barrier (never been proven or replicated so more belief and bullshit) , airplanes don't circumnavigate the globe North South normally, military says that snipers account for coriolis effect??? not sure sometimes yes sometimes no on that- i guess coriolis effect turns off and on- If coriolis effect on snipers bullet is real then how does coriolis not effect helicopters and airplanes. Its just one thing after another, the ONLY thing stopping people from acctepting flat earth evidence is BRAINWASHING and Conditioning. Crazy Flat Earth I live on.
how do you explain this if there is a dome over us.
if i had the time, i would record these things myself, i see them often enough, most times while looking east at night
It could be anything. How do you explain a pressure system existing within a vacuum with no physical barrier? "Meteorites" could be objects shot from the dome, but I really do not know. What I do know is that something does not come from nothing on its own, we just do not and have not seen that happen in nature, once you believe i God pretty much anything becomes possible.
The evidence doesn't prove a total vacuum to exist outside of the atmosphere, there is some air floating around in space.
I figured this one out myself, but there is always some bright spark out there that is one step ahead of me.
Space air coming in hot(high speeds) will light up our sky.
Your main question was why doesn't the vacuum suck? I think its because we not in a container universe and the pull of the earth is to strong.
All books were known to advance in the new knowledge that we receive everyday, why doesn't the bible advance to become a more clear message for all.
We living in a time were people need clear guidance.
The thing is coach, what you said is just a guess pretty much, which is fine- but the "scientists" are TELLING us how everything is. The snipers in the army claim the coriolis effect changes their bullets trajectory due to earths spin, so how come the coriolis effect doesn't effect airplanes and helicopters??? Can't have it both ways. There are artillery guys who say they never used to account for earths rotation. Bible says Stationary and immovable I believe forget exact verse. Its very likely the important parts of the Bible were hidden by the vatican. They need to keep us ignorant to control us like the slaves we are. According to NASA, if they do not use their space suits the astronots WILL DIE.
Per wikipedia (which I HATE) Outer space has very low density and pressure, and is the closest physical approximation of a perfect vacuum. But no vacuum is truly perfect, not even in interstellar space, where there are still a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter.
So basically we have our pressure system within the closest thing to a PERFECT VACUUM with NO physical barrier???? Get the F OUT!!! They LIE COACH THEY LIE!!!!
I understand where you're coming from.
Our education system was different to America. Nothing was shoved down our throats especially not false education.
North Korea tells there citizens that they the first country to land on the sun, they win the soccer world cup every year and the list goes on.
Research 144000, tell me your thoughts on this.
The problem is- you can be born a slave but it's your choice if you stay a slave.
We can only send a message across to people not to be slaves but they will have to choose if they want to stay a slave.
I was born at a time where people of colour couldn't go walk in white areas.
At the time, I didn't realize this. We were breaking the law on a regular basis by walking in white areas. Nobody stops us, not even the police. Other people weren't so lucky. The government lied to us on a daily basis. I was a Catholic in my youth, we were the only Christian race that congregated together, when to school together. Most of the Catholic schools were in white areas. You wouldn't dare touch us even if you were a police officer or army guys. We move in power because we were a community. After I found out that the priest were touch the boys and girls, I decided not to do my confirmation.
You choose to believe what you want to through ignorance.
If you not with me, the beast will be your master.
Thanks for the 144,000 suggestion, I will read up on that. I am reading gnostic gospels right now while reading the Bible for the first time and it is interesting that I connect with both yet they the message of each often seems to conflict with one another. Are you a Christian now? I believe the Catholic church is evil as you probably know, not the worshippers just the Church, but the Catholic worshippers I believe are being deceived. I wonder about the Bible because the Vatican had a hand in its creation as I understand.
I went to the beach today with my flat earth sign and spoke to a few people, will put up video soon. It cost $10 to get on the beach and I just realized that the beach is privately owned in NJ, for some reason this seems wrong to me, I am becoming an anarchist I think, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Its hard to break free of the slave mentality, I find myself still very submissive to police because of years of conditioning and habit but they are just people wearing costumes. I am trying and appreciate your thoughts, you have been awake much longer than me, I can and am learning alot from you.
I am not arguing the evidence. Just unhappy with all those "big shot" flat-earthers. But that is indicative of the state of the community, people don't like to study physics in general.
New video up on zoomtruth
All respect; the effect is because the earth is hardly smooth. Looking from the coast the horizon is roughly 24 km away, then that coast disappears. Then, say 30 km away the ground level goes up.
He says the peak is 9000ft; but aren't seeing the base of the mountain. Maybe the top 2/3...
@bmanmcfly No problem with you refuting, BUT "You should not see any of it, not an inch. There needs to be like 15,000 ft of curvature the mountains are on 12,000 ft or so , AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, this is across WATER, water that from space curves neatly into a BALL!!! Think about it, water has to curve at 8 inches per mile squared, it has no choice. The water does not have bulges haha in fact it does not curve, it is ALWAYS flat and ALWAYS finds its level. I pppreciate your thoughts, but please think about what I am saying, it is the KEY. We are looking across WATER, water that must conform to the shape NASA (liars) shows us in photos, a ball. If it was a ball then you would not se ANY part of those mountains, not a single inch.
It is HARD EVIDENCE that something is WRONG and the earth CANNOT possibly be a ball. It is ACCEPTING this evidence that is hard. Try imagining that you have NO idea what shape the earth is and then watch the video, you will see quickly that your first instinct is that the earth could not possibly be a ball.
There are videos of multiple places (over water) that show this time and again. Like this one-
Come on man, this stuff is easy. General Relativity is ONLY a THEORY. Not 1 in a 1,000 people can do the math for general relativity, they depend on BELIEF.
Watch this video on perspective it EXPLAINS WHY you do not see the bottom of the mountain, its the way our eyes work.
Seriously, you seem sincere in your belief you are trying to help me, please take a moment and just focus on how a ball should behave when placing objects on it and looking at that object from the ball at great distances. On earth just 50 miles produces 1,200 ft of curvature or so, 500 miles produces 31 MILES OF CURVE!!!! 31 MILES!!!!! Its CRAZY, Mt. Everest is only like 5 miles high and you can see it like a sore thumb. We have been brainwashed, just try and forget the guys in white coats who give you equations that you (and I) do not understand at ALL! PEACE and Earth is FLAT!!!
First, I want to stick with where I agree with you, because it's not about "fixing", we have an over abundance of information, but a lack of education. I don't want you to doubt God, that's not my place, and I know there's a force greater than us, I once spoke to my "guardian angel" (not sure if the term is appropriate, but the advice never failed).
Yes, we have been lied to, in the worst of ways, by all.
I would have no choice to believe if is was a flat ball, it's more complex than that. Within my city has a height variation of around 600ft. Things get even more complicated with water. Theres temperature, across depth, current, atmospheric pressures, etc, that will impact how high it is relative...
Then, light bends with gravity, so, while you see in a straight line, the path the light takes does bend slightly with the earth, it's treated as negligible in the relative small distance of experiments, but at scale there's an effect.
General relativity; it was found, with GPS devices that they were giving messed up directions, ultimately, it required a software patch to synchronize the seconds because the relative speed of both was different to a degree that it was miscalculating locations.
Please watch the tesla spacex launch... You can skip about the first minute or two. As it increases in altitude you can clearly see the curvature of the earth.
Regarding the Tesla car in space, did you know that it is a STOCK FACTORY car?? Did you know that caars here on earth MELT on really hot days??? Did you know that the ISS and satellites have protective shielding to keep parts from melting at 250 degrees on the side facing the sun??? Now how come the stock TESLA car with plastic parts not MELT??? Because it is NOT IN SPACE, either is the ISS. This stuff is really hard to ACCEPT but use logic, why have we not gone back to the moon in 50 YEARS!!!!??? I would hope technology today would make the mission over 1,000 times safer but nope, NOTHING. AND, even back in the day people were saying the moon landings were fake. Spacex is just fancy CGI and a bunch of actors. Yes they probably shot a rocket up but no way in hell was the video of it coming down genuine. Even musk says it looks fake- they like to mock us they really do!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/05/10/how-astronauts-stay-warm-and-safe-in-the-deep-cold-of-space/#1d7ba5d36e41
Yes, he strapped the space man symbolically, the don't panic is reference to hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy.
This gets into materials related sciences. First, in space it's cold that would kill (ok, can debate on what would cause death first, but would be an icicle.
The reason such measures as that insulation, that's quite an ingenious solution. But it's not really the concern for the vehicle... Since the ambient temperature can be treated as about -450, and there is no atmosphere to really heat up, it's would be heating the metal / plastic to... I dunno the energy, but if it's heating it 250 degrees, the actual temperature of the materials is still going to be far below freezing.
Why it's a bigger deal on the space station is that there's an atmosphere that is heated... So, the ambient metal outside would be far closer to comfort temperatures (ignoring the cooling effect of space). So, yes, there is shielding...
Now, traveling to the moon, the moon landings themselves were not fake, but some footage WAS faked because they did not want to show the technology involved. As to why there isn't a moon base, that has more to do with politics and priorities of government. That does tie into why Musk decided to launch the spaceman, saying that humanity is going off planet.
If you go to the live video, the thing is far too close to earth to be live, I agree with you there.
Moon landings 1,000 % Fake! we can't even go today. More than likely Everything you said, you "know" because a scientist or physicist told you. You trust those people, I do not. People can make equations for anything, it doesn't make it true and most can't even understand it anyway. USELESS. Using simple logic, you can tell we did not go to the moon.
this is great discussed @zoomtruth thank you, and how i think also the the is not the ball h shaped.
Thanks top
Problem with Jeranism is that he doesn't sound like the guy who studied physics or other technical disciplines. Thus lacking any experience in solving problems by providing adequate evidence and necessary proofs.
In this case, he could've started by using google earth to show locations and elevations. Autocad would be nice.
Also, the most important part. Dozens and dozens of measurements at various locations.
Reference to people who have no clue about the scientific method and no knowledge of the particular science they trying to disprove is a disservice to alternative researchers.
@nik4 There are plenty of videos where he does use the measurements, as in LOTS. Whether he sounds like he studied does not matter to me, he has improved his tests consistently over time. There is just so much "other" evidence that for me taken together, you have to be almost a complete zombie to to accept that the earth cannot be a spinning ball. Evidence for me: NASA caught in multiple lies, Water always finds its level, general relativity is ONLY a theory never been proven, Bible describes nothin close to a spinning ball, multiple instances like this where you can see things that you should not be able too on a ball, ships do not go over the horizon (bring them back into view with a telescope), they say we are in a pressure system existing within a vacuum with no solid barrier (never been proven or replicated so more belief and bullshit) , airplanes don't circumnavigate the globe North South normally, military says that snipers account for coriolis effect??? not sure sometimes yes sometimes no on that- i guess coriolis effect turns off and on- If coriolis effect on snipers bullet is real then how does coriolis not effect helicopters and airplanes. Its just one thing after another, the ONLY thing stopping people from acctepting flat earth evidence is BRAINWASHING and Conditioning. Crazy Flat Earth I live on.
how do you explain this if there is a dome over us.
if i had the time, i would record these things myself, i see them often enough, most times while looking east at night
Electrical discharge, plasma.
It could be anything. How do you explain a pressure system existing within a vacuum with no physical barrier? "Meteorites" could be objects shot from the dome, but I really do not know. What I do know is that something does not come from nothing on its own, we just do not and have not seen that happen in nature, once you believe i God pretty much anything becomes possible.
The evidence doesn't prove a total vacuum to exist outside of the atmosphere, there is some air floating around in space.
I figured this one out myself, but there is always some bright spark out there that is one step ahead of me.
Space air coming in hot(high speeds) will light up our sky.
Your main question was why doesn't the vacuum suck? I think its because we not in a container universe and the pull of the earth is to strong.
All books were known to advance in the new knowledge that we receive everyday, why doesn't the bible advance to become a more clear message for all.
We living in a time were people need clear guidance.
The thing is coach, what you said is just a guess pretty much, which is fine- but the "scientists" are TELLING us how everything is. The snipers in the army claim the coriolis effect changes their bullets trajectory due to earths spin, so how come the coriolis effect doesn't effect airplanes and helicopters??? Can't have it both ways. There are artillery guys who say they never used to account for earths rotation. Bible says Stationary and immovable I believe forget exact verse. Its very likely the important parts of the Bible were hidden by the vatican. They need to keep us ignorant to control us like the slaves we are. According to NASA, if they do not use their space suits the astronots WILL DIE.
Per wikipedia (which I HATE) Outer space has very low density and pressure, and is the closest physical approximation of a perfect vacuum. But no vacuum is truly perfect, not even in interstellar space, where there are still a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter.
So basically we have our pressure system within the closest thing to a PERFECT VACUUM with NO physical barrier???? Get the F OUT!!! They LIE COACH THEY LIE!!!!
I understand where you're coming from.
Our education system was different to America. Nothing was shoved down our throats especially not false education.
North Korea tells there citizens that they the first country to land on the sun, they win the soccer world cup every year and the list goes on.
Research 144000, tell me your thoughts on this.
The problem is- you can be born a slave but it's your choice if you stay a slave.
We can only send a message across to people not to be slaves but they will have to choose if they want to stay a slave.
I was born at a time where people of colour couldn't go walk in white areas.
At the time, I didn't realize this. We were breaking the law on a regular basis by walking in white areas. Nobody stops us, not even the police. Other people weren't so lucky. The government lied to us on a daily basis. I was a Catholic in my youth, we were the only Christian race that congregated together, when to school together. Most of the Catholic schools were in white areas. You wouldn't dare touch us even if you were a police officer or army guys. We move in power because we were a community. After I found out that the priest were touch the boys and girls, I decided not to do my confirmation.
You choose to believe what you want to through ignorance.
If you not with me, the beast will be your master.
Thanks for the 144,000 suggestion, I will read up on that. I am reading gnostic gospels right now while reading the Bible for the first time and it is interesting that I connect with both yet they the message of each often seems to conflict with one another. Are you a Christian now? I believe the Catholic church is evil as you probably know, not the worshippers just the Church, but the Catholic worshippers I believe are being deceived. I wonder about the Bible because the Vatican had a hand in its creation as I understand.
I went to the beach today with my flat earth sign and spoke to a few people, will put up video soon. It cost $10 to get on the beach and I just realized that the beach is privately owned in NJ, for some reason this seems wrong to me, I am becoming an anarchist I think, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Its hard to break free of the slave mentality, I find myself still very submissive to police because of years of conditioning and habit but they are just people wearing costumes. I am trying and appreciate your thoughts, you have been awake much longer than me, I can and am learning alot from you.
I am not arguing the evidence. Just unhappy with all those "big shot" flat-earthers. But that is indicative of the state of the community, people don't like to study physics in general.
I other words, you saying that they didn't do their homework properly
People who haven't studied physics are not qualified to debunk it. Due to lack of understanding what they debunking and how to do it properly.