Who am I beyond the shell of a body? Revelations from the Sanskrit source codes

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I want to make it clear that I write my own script to my life. I also write my own speeches and my own blog posts. All the written word you see is my own original work. “OC” or original content is the standard to aspire to if you are a serious blogger, not copied or rewritten info. I have lived a long enough life with rich and varied experiences, to be able to compose personal and original content, based on my experience. The fact that I’m personalising my writing is so that it is harder to plagiarise, which happens sometimes, and harder to question as plagiarism, which also happens. To be authentic, I have to be personal.
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Knowledge based on experience
Nevertheless, in my ten years as a monk studying Sanskrit texts about the Vedic culture of India and the philosophy of Vedanta, under other monks in the bhakti yoga ashram, I was able to come across some details in the books, of which Srimad Bhagavatam (aka Bhagavat Purana) and Bhagavad Gita were my favourite. These texts are apparently thousands of years old and handed down through disciplic succession over the centuries. The interpretation of the texts can vary slightly depending on whose translation you want to accept, but the essence is there in all of them to varying degrees.

And to be honest, the detail far surpasses anything I have seen in the western sacred texts, which are like introductory references compared to the finer aspects of yoga and transcendence in the Vedas. For example, there is little room for speculation on the nature of our identity when we read verses such as the following, regarding our subtle identity:

तदेतत्षोडशकलं लिङ्गं शक्तित्रयं महत् ।
धत्तेऽनुसंसृतिं पुंसि हर्षशोकभयार्तिदाम् ॥ ५१ ॥

tad etat ṣoḍaśa-kalaṁ
liṅgaṁ śakti-trayaṁ mahat
dhatte ’nusaṁsṛtiṁ puṁsi
harṣa-śoka-bhayārtidām

“The subtle body is endowed with sixteen parts — the five knowledge-acquiring senses, the five working senses, the five objects of sense gratification, and the mind. This subtle body is an effect of the three modes of material nature. It is composed of insurmountably strong desires, and therefore it causes the living entity to transmigrate from one body to another in human life, animal life and life as a demigod. When the living entity gets the body of a demigod, he is certainly very jubilant, when he gets a human body he is always in lamentation, and when he gets the body of an animal, he is always afraid. In all conditions, however, he is actually miserable. His miserable condition is called saṁsṛti, or transmigration in material life.”

Śrimad Bhagavatam ch: 6.1.51 translated by Swami A. C. Bhaktivedanta

Sutras are codes
As you can see, a lot can be said in a few words when dealing in Sanskrit “sutras” or verses, which are like codes, in which a great deal of information is squeezed, to be analysed when unpacked. If you want to see the individual word for word transliteration of the verse above, then that is there for you in the publication. Perhaps one day we will go more into the Sanskrit, suffice to say for now that this verse says a lot about the subtle body of the living entity. In other words the mind, or etheric body, of which the physical body is just the vehicle and final result of the state of mind.

The subtle body arrives from a previous life, carrying the spirit soul to the next birth, based on the past desires and identifications. Ultimately we are here because of desire. Desire is the driving force in the sublte body or mind, that obliges a repeated next human birth, or any rebirth in the temporary realms. Understand and control and direct your desire, and you have mastered the goal of life because it is the desire on the mind at the time of death that determines the next destination for the spirit soul, carried like a passenger by the mind as it is drawn magnetically to the place of its desire.

The sixteen parts mentioned here are a breakdown of the nature of the mind and senses.
5 knowledge-acquiring senses: mouth, nose, eyes, ears, skin
5 working senses: arms, legs, stomach, anus and genitals
5 objects of sense gratification: smelled, tasted, heard, felt, seen objects
Then comes the 16th item, called the mind
3 modes of material nature: goodness (sattva), passion (rajas), ignorance (tamas)

This is a breakdown of the parts that make up our mental or subtle body, the one that leaves the physical body at death and carries the spirit soul onward. So the understanding is that we are not the mind, which changes from one lifetime to the next, so that it can fit into a new body, in the next birth. It is apparently crucial to be focused at the time of leaving the body at death, so that the desires are directed properly. The various temporary births available range from those on earth, to those in upper or lower planetary systems, some heavenly and some hellish by comparison.

Time is conspicuous by its absence.
And then there is the eternal spiritual world, above and beyond the temporary angelic or lower planetary systems or realms of life. As long as the eternal spirit soul is obliged to take another temporary material body, s/he is out of place and according to this text actually miserable, relatively speaking. The heavenly realm might be very impressive for a while, and that while can go on for thousands of earth years, since time is different on other planets, but there will always have to be an end to that lifetime. However, once one returns back to the eternal realm, there is no more coming back, and no more time.

It is from texts like this that speak to us from past millennia, that we can get a deeper understanding of our original identity. This is not taught to us in the west at all, and the west appears to be lacking in proper education regarding consciousness. Fortunately, for the sincere seeker, the information still exits for now, so I write about it to at least show you what exists as far as information on consciousness. There is no need to speculate or concoct some mental imaginary construct on the nature of reality when it is all there already in the Vedas.

Timeless wisdom and information exists, that was pertinent thousands of years ago, and is pertinent today. It is not dependent on modern invention or scientific discovery regarding the brain, the nervous system or any medical discoveries. This is above and beyond the need for modern research. And so I recommend that if at some point you do ultimately want to lift your consciousness to a level of self-awareness beyond the superficial, then the Vedic texts mentioned here will be a good place to go.

Be sure to read valid translations from authors who live the philosophy, not just academic language scholars. Some of the concepts are so esoteric or metaphysical that it requires some interpretation and realization to be able to find the words, the concepts and then the grammar to describe what is being referred to. It is more than just an academic transliteration word for word.

To conclude for now
This may be the only blog post on this entire platform that is discussing Sanskrit Vedanta terminology and consciousness, let me know of any others. But this is what is most important to me and also, in my opinion, for the world at large. The rest is short-lived, fleeting, trivial and shallow by comparison. I have less time to waste with each passing day, so have decided to write about what I feel is a more worthwhile legacy than the other data out there online, of which there is plenty by many others. But this Sanskrit textual reference to your true identity and goal of life is what it’s all about guys. And I am here to remind you.

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That's what I find amazing about your writing is what you write on (what I also find to be very important and worthwhile writing about) and the depth of your understanding and even more so that you are sharing it here on the Steem blockchain! I have read in Dhamma texts from my husbands collection something similar and as we get older and closer to the expected lifetime age this seems even more important to grow in our understanding and to prepare for those final moments! Your writings adds clarity to this and what our life is composed of and how to become master of our own lives. Thank-you! I find it interesting how you say

Desire is the driving force in the subtle body or mind

When you come to think of it it is even that desire to breath, to take in air, desire for nourishment to support our life and it grows from there. It is that desiring and clinging that causes so much suffering in the world and I am so happy that the knowledge and wisdom for the path out of suffering has been passed down through the ages and is available to us now!
I really do appreciate you sharing these bits of wisdom that you have garnered through your studies and look forward to reading your posts!

Thank you, yes desire leads to hankering and lamenting. There is always desire in the conscious living entity, even just for breath as you say, so we cannot give up desire, simply shift it to the right place.

Interesting. It's been a while since I've read anything from the Eastern religions. In my religious tradition, Christianity, we believe we are created in the image of God and therefore possess a body, soul, and spirit reflecting the Trinitarian nature of the Godhead. Yours appears much more detailed and nuanced.

Yes the three levels of body, soul (mind) and spirit are the same in both traditions, though the eastern texts just go into more detail about their nature. Our identity in the image of God is a valid one, as originally our eternal spiritual self, is in quality also pure spirit, in the image of God, but our size is very small in quantity by comparison. There are more similarities than differences.

True, a lot of similarities, but one major difference. Christ claimed to be God in the flesh and died for the sins of the world. I haven't seen anything like that in the Eastern texts.

Now that you mention it, the concept of the guru being the living representative of God, or God in the flesh, is similar in the Vedic philosophy. The guru is called the "transparent via-medium". When the disciple is initiated at the ceremony, it is described that the guru takes on the karma or the sins of the disciple, in exactly the same way as Christ takes the sins of his disciples, then and now. It appears to be the identical concept. The guru is required to be the living memeber of a chain of "disciplic succession", going back to his guru and the one before and so on back through the lineage. There are 4 lineages in the Vishnu sect of the Vedic tradition.

So obviously the difference is in the practice of the Christian faith that Christ is the only via-medium and only representative and son of God, whereas in the Vedic culture, there are more than just the one via-medium.
Of course even in the different lineages of the east, the disciples often compete and declare their lineage to be the only one or the better one, so there will always be competition based on interpretation and actual comprehension or particularly realization as to what is actually going on, what is the underlying principle and in the end whose theology are we adopting.
The more catholic approach, or inclusive approach, would be to see the eastern and western lineages as alluding to the same ultimate premise of linking up the soul with the source, or God via the medium of the messiah or guru. The difference is subtle though meaningful, though the similarities are what add validity to both paths in my mind, as opposed to being sources of divergence.

So obviously the difference is in the practice of the Christian faith that Christ is the only via-medium and only representative and son of God, whereas in the Vedic culture, there are more than just the one via-medium.

That's a very important distinction. Christ claimed to be the only path to God the Father. As second person of the Trinity, he was present at the creation of the world "in the beginning." Chapter 1 of the book of John says he "was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God ... and the Word became flesh and dwelt here among us." No other religious leader has made that claim.

Bottom line: Christ claimed to be the only way man can reach God. If that's true, then all other religions are false paths. If it's not true, then Christianity is a false path.

It's a matter of interpretation.

Great post of your as always, Your content is always original.
I also want to write some spiritual posts but I am soo lazy to write.
loved your content sir.

Very kind of you, jot down a few ideas to begin with and flesh them out at your own time if you like.

A steeming monk in my PHC family thats a great revalation on saturday !

The truth is out. I am the real thing, having lived in saffron robes for ten years as a celibate monk with shaved head and no possessions in my twenties. I now live a quiet life to myself, without family or children to worry about, in a quiet seaside town with enough money coming in to survive on very little, while spending all my time now writing and researching.

Julian i love that the monk way of life still is in your vains and the garment of steemit life suits you Well and in us and in the powerhousecreatives family i think @jaynie saw that when you entered the first stop, glad to have read you not so long ago,
Blog to you soon,
Britt

I appreciate the family identity you show, and the community spirit. We work well as a team here on PHC.

Bringing enlightment into humanism.....there are many things to explore through Bhagavad Gita. Glad you making effort to bring some deep insight...resteemed...👍

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Pranama, bahut acha bhai sahab.
This is my service in my final years - to share the best that I have found on the planet with others on the blockchain.

I am more than grateful that you are writing about this. I dont know any others either - @kennyskitchen, if you are about, I do believe this work is worth supporting.

Do you know which tanslation or analysis is worth reading? Or which text is good to start with? Some are too complex and dense and tie me in knots. I love how each small code unpacks into complex yet simple instructions and find sanskrit infinitely beautiful.

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I'm glad you can relate, there are over 300 different translations of Bhagavad Gita, which is the best text to start with, as it sums up various messages, including some chapters on karma yoga, and other forms of yoga - the origianl ones, before new teachers devised variations of the hatha or ashtanga yoga, like Iyengar and Bikram. Real yoga is about consciousness, the physical stretching and bodily manipulation were so that the yogi could mechanically shift the life airs and gain greater focus in meditation. It wasn't about bodily health so much, but more about raising the kundalini up the spine to reach the pineal gland via the pituitary, or open the third eye and go beyond to the crown chakra, apparently. Modern gymnastic focus of yoga is missing the point, unless it is focused on the inner state of consciousness, not the muscle or flexibility, as you have realized in time.
I would recommend "Bhagavad Gia As It Is" by Swami A. C. Bhaktivedanta. It is perhaps more devotional than usual, or focused on bhakti or loving devotional service to the deity, or divinity situated within the heart, and the relationship between the soul and supersoul, but the scholarly translations of the Sanskrit texts and word-for-word analysis of each verse, is second to none.
You can read it online freely here: https://www.vedabase.com/en/bg. It may require several reads through over a period of months, to really assimilate the concepts as it is dense, but here and there you immediately find profound insights, that bring clarity and help us remember, and awaken dormant knowledge.

Exactly. Modern yoga is mostly fit bodies, though there ARE some teachers who teach from that perspective and it is those that I seek out. To me, it gets me into that meditation state... without breath and body connection I am far too unsettled in a seat.

I have listened to an audio of the Gita.. such an extraordinary beautiful text. I love to go to the Hare Krishnas just ten minutes from us to listen to their readings and interpretations, chant.. and then eat!

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Yes that is where I practiced for ten years in my home town of Cape Town in the nineties, at the Hare Krishnas, traveling to India three times for pilgrimage. Their Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam are my references, though institutionalized spirituality comes with its own challenges of course. Nevertheless, the original process of meditation for this modern age is more about dancing, chanting and feasting, not so much hatha yoga any more. Perhaps you can combine the best insights from both sides of the yoga spectrum - hatha and bhakti - to facilitate your path back to godhead.

As a practising Buddhist, I like to read Buddhist authors and texts. My very first post on Steemit I recall was about a visit to my Buddhist Centre with a photo of a Rupa. My brother who introduced me to Steemit told me that cryptocurrency and religion were incompatible. I am glad that you are proving him wrong! I wonder if you have considered writing or compiling a book from your blog posts. I am very grateful for your teachings and wisdom 🙏🏽

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Thanks @fleur I am glad to prove your brother wrong. We can have our feet on the ground as we reach for the stars. I'm so glad you have a connection with Buddhism, which is a close cousin of Vedanta philosophy, with the same roots or source.
I actually see my writing as the equivalent of a book, chapter by chapter, and I let the collection here on the steem blockchain act as my book, as it is, for posterity, without the need to put into any other format, just yet. Book publishing is highly recommended, but also pricey, when done the old way on paper, so the digital equivalent is fine here online.

im doing the same, all the information will motivates or encounrages.

Hey @julianhorack, I was just thinking the other day that your posts would be wonderful in a book format. I was going to ask your permission to put it into a book format which I can simply do. It would be in a PDF format and/or flipbook format plus I can format it to epub or mobi to be able to have it available on Amazon Kindle or other online book stores. From Kindle you can go to Amazon print (use to be create space) which we could make a printed version. That takes a little bit more formatting but I have done it before. the pdf and flipbooks are easy to do and I'd be happy to do that for you. Just DM me on discord.

Will do, many thanks @porters.

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