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RE: Lesbian Zombies from Outer Space - Horror Comedy Graphic Novel - Pages 9-11

in #comics7 years ago (edited)

Haha, a nice twist on the story my lesbian and dominant bi girl-friends always tell - that being interested and being willing to go all the way is rare among the curious. The solution seems to simply let them meet a phosphorescent lady from outer space!

By the way why is it a flawed male sexual fantasy? - I have women friends that are turned on by male gay porno. Isn't it just... a nice ol' sexual fantasy.

And a super first page by the way. looking forward to the sequels.

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Here's where the flaw comes in - it's not the act of being turned on by two attractive women sexing each other up. It's the idea that two such women ultimately want your dick to be part of the equation. (I think most lesbians would agree that this is a pretty big flaw.) :)

But it's a fantasy and none of the lesbians business really. I am very suspicious of this type of argument and I think that trying to make a negative consensus about any kind of sexuality that is not harmful to others smell badly of conservatism (the left never was immune to such regressions). It was the exact same arguments that was used against homosexuality in the first place - that they would force themselves on others, that they would seduce the young etc. I can't see anything flawed in fantasising that you too can play a part in something you find sexy.

All I can say is that this story grew out of my own fantasies, and my analysis of them (perhaps over-analysis). Ace is certainly a part of me. :)

In any event, I didn't write this from a stance of moral condemnation. I instead intended only to recognize and highlight the absurd. True, most fantasies are absurd and irrational. That's what makes them fantasies. But that's also what makes them potentially good subjects of humor.

Well, I didn't object to the story at all. I only wondered about the slightly defensive word in the presentation, and why you used it (as you can gather I am very interested in the whole sexual discussions these days, and I am very critical of the puritan streak in mainstream left-wing identity politics). It just seemed a bit strange to me compared to the relaxed satire of the comic.

It shines through that you have used your own fascination and fantasies. The wild kitsch art of your (and my) childhood is an interesting scene for the discussion about male sexuality - and as I opposed the use of flawed used in a general way, it is completely different in fictitious art. The ridiculous, sad and often downright pathetic sexuality of individual men is of course great material for fun and satire and I think that the whole field of sexuality needs humour and strange angles.

I tend to see any fantasy that can't be achieved in reality, or that conflicts with the nature of reality - especially if one obsesses over it - as flawed. (And here I mean fantasy as desire, rather than as fictional story involving fictional things.) At least, that's the practical analyzer part of my brain.

Ultimately it's guys like me who are this story's audience: guys with a fantasy, and who are willing to laugh at it and themselves. So that descriptive sentence isn't meant to be politically defensive. It's just meant to prepare the reader for the hilarious horror to come.

However, I am American, and I was raised Catholic. So who knows how much that has fucked with my subconscious. :)

I think that such fantasies are fiction and that this flaw actually does apply to all kinds of fiction. When you think of it - stories, from limericks to Ulysses, are weird things that do conflict with the nature of reality (whatever that is). Stories run on a parallel track with reality, sometimes it looks like reality, but it always relates more to its form and the history of other stories than to reality. A fine example is your comic, based on old movies instead of reality.

So in that sense I do understand flawed.

There is also the other aspect that there is this feeling among men that their sexuality is flawed (dangerous, violent, far too horny etc.) It is a very strong (and very flawed) story in western culture. We are brought up to think like that, just as women are brought up to believe that they do not have any sexual desire (and are weird if they do have it anyway).

None of that has much to do with reality (a difficult word by the way - because we might only be able to perceive reality through language... and stories.)

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