CI event post
This is an alt of @anarchyhasnogods, if yall didn't know that. This is for the CI even we are having in the discord
"We have a new event going on here at CI: Ask a friend with a Steem account to explain a topic that you know they understand, but you don't, and then make a post out of it putting it in the TIL category. (Just posting the conversation and pointing out new things you learned counts)"
dlike are instant negatives
annarchyToday at 15:08
dlike?
JoysToday at 15:08
it's a sharing service
you go to dlike, input a link you want to share
and it submits a post for you, with an exerpt from the link
and the link itself
basically it's like sharing a website on facebok
it's the exact opposite of what we want from steemit
"oh lookie a random interesting link, let me copy paste this link to steemit and get an upvote for it!"
https://dlike.io/
this deserves hate
annarchyToday at 15:13
if we enforce only high quality on steem it will die
just saying
not all human interaction is "of the highest quality"
JoysToday at 15:14
it's not crap quality
it's just inexistent
let me simulate this here
https://br.ign.com/msn-1/62363/feature/5-anos-sem-msn-o-programa-de-mensagem-mais-completo-que-ja-e
THAT'S ALL DLIKE DOES!
it's a completely random news
I go to do dlike
I copy paste it and hiit share
and now I have a POST about it. instead of "https://br.ign.com/msn-1/62363/feature/5-anos-sem-msn-o-programa-de-mensagem-mais-completo-que-ja-e"
dlike turns a simple ctrl+v into a whole post
in which the person who submitted it didn't do anything
it's the exact opposite of content creation
annarchyToday at 15:17
you're really gonna hate it when we start getting into shitposting lmao
JoysToday at 15:17
I mean if you submit a steemit post with ONLY A TITLE AND NO BODY TEXT saying like " hey guys im new to steemit"
then that actually took MORE EFFORT than using dlike
annarchyToday at 15:17
no need to yell smh
JoysToday at 15:17
of course there is
it's very irritating
annarchyToday at 15:18
whats significant about a post exactly
yall worship it too much
if I want to spread news, I can spread news
that in itself is an act of social interaction
JoysToday at 15:19
but why would you get money for sharing a link
annarchyToday at 15:19
why should we monetize social interaction in general
everything is labor
JoysToday at 15:19
it's not your labor
annarchyToday at 15:19
the act of sharing the link is social labor
not much, but it is social labor
so is reading it
so is discussing it
JoysToday at 15:20
not when the actual thing you shared isn't yours to use comercially
not even through fair use for commentary
annarchyToday at 15:20
YouTube
Peter Coffin
EVERYTHING IS LABOR (MANY PETERS ?24)
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1
yall need some peter coffin smh
JoysToday at 15:20
cuz posts through dlike doesn't actually add your comments
you missed my point, regardless of what labor you're doing, you can't use other people's labor comercially
annarchyToday at 15:21
let me put it this way
i think thats an arbitrary rule and I couldn't care less about what specific point you draw the line at
JoysToday at 15:22
it's a legal line
annarchyToday at 15:22
sharing the link does add onto it
JoysToday at 15:22
if you didn't profit from it then I wouldn't see a problem
annarchyToday at 15:23
everything here is a legal grey area, and moral judgements from legal ones are a very bad idea
JoysToday at 15:24
okay let me put it this way. I create something so I can profit from it. then you take it, don't add anything to it, and try profiting from it
is there something wrong with your actions? that depends. for you and for everyone else, maybe not
annarchyToday at 15:24
profit is an extremely arbitrary concept and term
I actually don't subscribe to the idea at all
JoysToday at 15:25
still writing
for me? I created that thing. if someone else is going to take it and profit from it without letting me know, that I'll be angry if it defeats the purpose of creating that thing in the first place
that's why the game industry in china is non existent. everyone pirates software
annarchyToday at 15:26
well first of all
JoysToday at 15:26
noone actually buys it
noone
annarchyToday at 15:26
that doesnt take any of the money the author gets from writing it
JoysToday at 15:26
so the game devs shut down. they stopped trying
annarchyToday at 15:27
blaming the consumers is a bad move too
JoysToday at 15:27
it's a mentality
annarchyToday at 15:27
capitalism is to blame for people needing profit to survive
JoysToday at 15:27
that's so vague
that's pushing aside reality to debate idealism
annarchyToday at 15:27
all your points are built on cultural reasoning and just as vague
JoysToday at 15:27
it's not cultural reasoning
it's content creator reasoning
annarchyToday at 15:28
you dont know what cultural reasoning is do you
JoysToday at 15:28
you don't know what content creator reasoning is do you
annarchyToday at 15:28
what a joke lmao
JoysToday at 15:29
aren't you? thinking your opinion is superior to mine when they're both just opinions
calling my opinion a joke
annarchyToday at 15:29
nah I was calling you copying me a joke
JoysToday at 15:29
that's stupid
if you fail to see my point then you're just not even trying
it's really not hard to see
you don't have to agree to it to understand it
annarchyToday at 15:29
I saw your point right away(edited)
JoysToday at 15:29
what was it then
the reasoning of my point
annarchyToday at 15:30
hey
JoysToday at 15:30
what was it
annarchyToday at 15:30
stop typing
you asked me a question and kept going
JoysToday at 15:30
when I type does it block you from typing?
well then
annarchyToday at 15:30
no, but it's rude to keep going after you ask a question like that
JoysToday at 15:30
it's not live voice chat you know
annarchyToday at 15:30
because then I would have to keep up with multiple things at once
JoysToday at 15:31
that's your cultural reasoning
annarchyToday at 15:31
it is
JoysToday at 15:31
I don't do by that
annarchyToday at 15:31
anyways, to answer your question
you think that since the author earns money on the words of another, they did nothing to earn that money themselves so that then it is "morally wrong", and that since the money on steem somehow comes out of the pocket of an independent author they will take their livelyhood from them
#1 it funnels people to that author
felipejoysToday at 15:32
like I said, that's not it
annarchyToday at 15:32
giving them more attention, and more money than they would have before
felipejoysToday at 15:32
content creators are less inclined to create content when people don't care about the content's creators
annarchyToday at 15:33
why would they not care lmao
its literally giving a link to the content
free advertising
felipejoysToday at 15:33
it's not about the page they linked
annarchyToday at 15:33
why not?
felipejoysToday at 15:33
...my reasoning is not about the page they linked
annarchyToday at 15:33
then I don't understand
are you saying they get paid too much?
felipejoysToday at 15:33
that's what I've been trying to tell you
it's a different context
annarchyToday at 15:34
so you're saying the free market is wrong
felipejoysToday at 15:34
you're not on the same page as what I'm trying to say
you've been stuck on this perspective you assumed i was using
annarchyToday at 15:34
im on a wholly different book
felipejoysToday at 15:34
and I've been stuck here trying to get you out of it
that's what I've been saying!
annarchyToday at 15:34
yeah
i dont understand neo-liberals anymore at this point
they just make no sense
felipejoysToday at 15:34
Idk what is a neo liberal I don't care about ideologies
so
it's about steemit content creators
annarchyToday at 15:35
the dominant economic ideology today
the one you have been using to justify all your statements
felipejoysToday at 15:35
when something like dlike becomes popular
it diminishes public opinion about actual steemit content
annarchyToday at 15:35
so thats your argument, that sharing content is bad?
felipejoysToday at 15:36
the majority of users, those that are not authors, will ---
no
nvm if you're not willing to listen then I give up trying to talk
annarchyToday at 15:36
i gave it a shot
felipejoysToday at 15:36
no yo didn't, you made a bunch assumptions
from the start all you've been working with is assumpetions
you never tried to listen
annarchyToday at 15:36
everything in the end is just an assumption
felipejoysToday at 15:36
not within context
annarchyToday at 15:37
an educated guess then
felipejoysToday at 15:37
not within context
KagaminToday at 15:37
what context?
felipejoysToday at 15:37
absolute truth is not relative when confined within a given context
annarchyToday at 15:37
absolute truth is a social construct lol
felipejoysToday at 15:37
generally the conversation's context
KagaminToday at 15:37
yeah, but in this context, what context are you talking about
felipejoysToday at 15:38
like what part of the conversation
I mean, what part of the conversation are you asking about?
cuz we went through a few different contexts
annarchyToday at 15:38
language is a social construct, no "universal truth" can be conveyed through it
words mean what I think they mean
nothing more
felipejoysToday at 15:39
see, you just skip half of the words I write
it's like I didn't write half of what I actually wrote
KagaminToday at 15:39
¯_(?)/¯
annarchyToday at 15:39
you get a sense of their argument at all kagamin?
felipejoysToday at 15:40
ok the initial one was I think dlike is horrible for steemit content creators and @annarchy didn't understand the subject so @annarchy went on about a lot of unrelated stuff(edited)
annarchyToday at 15:40
she*
felipejoysToday at 15:40
that better?
KagaminToday at 15:40
no there is still a he
felipejoysToday at 15:40
well f
that better yet
KagaminToday at 15:41
you could have used she, it's weird to avoid pronouns like that
¯_(?)/¯
felipejoysToday at 15:41
spite
KagaminToday at 15:41
that's rude
annarchyToday at 15:41
kicked
i dont need any of that
Well shoutout to dlike, I might check em out sometime. Also copy and paste doesn't catch stuff like bold, oh well.
oh and shoutout for @felipejoys for helping me with the new CI event: "We have a new event going on here at CI: Ask a friend with a Steem account to explain a topic that you know they understand, but you don't, and then make a post out of it putting it in the TIL category. (Just posting the conversation and pointing out new things you learned counts)"
Come check it out on our discord server!
nobody is apolitical. Apolitical is just a fancy term for a centrist.
That video goes into it very well.
I mean, way better than that horse-shoe theory bs.
format of the conversation is very difficult to follow. I can't tell who is speaking. eitherway, cool event
what are you talking about? I mean look at all that effort I put into it lmao
How about just the screenshots? that should do, i think.
like 10 or more screenshots tho, and that's more work
just gotta set the bar low lmao